Spectrometer Shows More Blue light on cloudy Day....why?

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The discussion revolves around the observations made using a spectrometer to measure light from the sun on both clear and cloudy days. Participants explore the reasons behind a prominent spike in blue light in the spectrometer readings, considering factors such as atmospheric scattering, the nature of sunlight, and potential interference from other light sources.

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  • One participant questions whether the spike in blue light is due to atmospheric scattering or the sun's emission of ultraviolet light, noting that the spectrometer may not capture deep violets.
  • Another participant asserts that there should not be a blue spike when measuring sunlight, suggesting testing with an incandescent light bulb as a comparison.
  • A different participant raises the possibility that significant smog in the area could contribute to the observed peak around 370nm, referencing a report that identifies a similar peak associated with Pyrene, a hydrocarbon produced in combustion.
  • One participant speculates that the spectrum might resemble that of an LED light bulb, prompting a request for more details about the spectrometer setup.

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Participants express differing views on the source of the blue light spike, with no consensus reached on whether it is due to atmospheric effects, smog, or the characteristics of the light source being measured.

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Some assumptions about the spectrometer's calibration and the environmental conditions during measurements remain unaddressed. The discussion also reflects uncertainty regarding the influence of different light sources on the observed spectrum.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring light measurement techniques, atmospheric optics, or the effects of pollution on light spectra.

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This is sort of a sister thread to my other thread. But I've bought a spectrometer and have been playing around with it. I pointed it at the sun on a clear day and got as expected a nice full spectrum of color with a large spike of blue:

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1. My first question is.. is the spike in blue range because of the scattered light from the sky? So all of that blue being scattered by the atmosphere is interfereing with the spectrometer and it's picking up more blue? OR is it because the sun emits such a large amount of ultraviolet, and this spectrometer doesn't really show deep violets?



Now, when I repeated the experiment on a cloudy day with no blue sky visible, I got this reading:

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Far far lower direct sunlight so I much decreased LUX. However there is STILL a big spike in blue. So does this answer my previous question that the spike in blue was due to the atmosphere scattered the blue light? Why though am I still seeing this sharp blue spike when all of the other colors are depressed from the cloud coverage?
 
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There shouldn't be a blue spike if you measure the sun, as you can see here. Maybe try and also test it on an incandescent light bulb, that should also look like a blackbody radiator with a similar temperature.
 
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DaveE said:
There shouldn't be a blue spike if you measure the sun, as you can see here. Maybe try and also test it on an incandescent light bulb, that should also look like a blackbody radiator with a similar temperature.
@Newtons Apple -- You were asked multiple questions like this in your previous thread about your sensor. Why have you not replied to those questions and suggestions in that thread?
 
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Are you in an area with significant smog?
That could be the cause of the peak around 370nm.

Page 4, top left right, of this report:
AN-70302-Fluorescence-Method-Development-Handbook-AN70302-E.pdf
shows a peak around that wavelength that is labeled Pyrene. A Google search finds that Pyrene is a hydrocarbon, C16H10, consisting of 4 benzine rings.

It's source (according to wikipedia) "...it is produced in a wide range of combustion conditions."

Cheers,
Tom
 
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The spectrum looks suspiciously like that of an LED (white) light bulb. I will bet money on it. Please desribe your system in detail.
 
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