Speed and rest energy of a particle collision

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The discussion revolves around a particle collision problem involving an electron and an anti-electron, focusing on determining the speed and rest energy of a resultant particle after the collision. The context includes concepts from relativistic physics, particularly conservation of momentum and energy.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants express uncertainty about how to begin solving the problem and question which equations to use for calculating speed and rest energy. There is discussion about the conservation of energy and momentum, and participants are encouraged to write down relevant equations.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the equations needed for a relativistic context and discussing the implications of treating particles as massless. Some guidance has been offered regarding the conservation laws, but there is still a lack of clarity on the specific equations to apply.

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There is mention of given rest energies for the particles involved, and participants are grappling with the implications of relativistic effects on their calculations.

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Homework Statement
If I'm given an electron that collides with an anti-electron with momentum in the opposite direction, which produces another particle, P, how to I find the speed of particle P? And how to I find the rest energy?

The initial momentum of the electron is: 9.06GeV/c

Initial momentum of the anti-electron is: 3.1 GeV/c (which would be negative here)

I am given a rest energy of .511 MeV for both electron and anti-electron.
Relevant Equations
K=(gamma-1)mc^2?

Rest energy I know is mc^2.
I honestly have no clue where to start, any help would be great.
 
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arella said:
Homework Statement:: If I'm given an electron that collides with an anti-electron with momentum in the opposite direction, which produces another particle, P, how to I find the speed of particle P? And how to I find the rest energy?

The initial momentum of the electron is: 9.06GeV/c

Initial momentum of the anti-electron is: 3.1 GeV/c (which would be negative here)

I am given a rest energy of .511 MeV for both electron and anti-electron.
Relevant Equations:: K=(gamma-1)mc^2?

Rest energy I know is mc^2.

I honestly have no clue where to start, any help would be great.
What quantities are conserved in this situation? Which of those conserved quantities might be useful?
 
jbriggs444 said:
What quantities are conserved in this situation? Which of those conserved quantities might be useful?
Energy and momentum are conserved, right? I'm just not sure of the equations I should use to solve for v exactly?
 
arella said:
Energy and momentum are conserved, right? I'm just not sure of the equations I should use to solve for v exactly?
Yes. Energy is conserved. You can write down an equation for that.
Yes. Momentum is conserved. You can write down an equation for that.
 
arella said:
Energy and momentum are conserved, right? I'm just not sure of the equations I should use to solve for v exactly?
That's two equations, so write them. Create variables as necessary for unknowns.
 
haruspex said:
That's two equations, so write them. Create variables as necessary for unknowns.
My issue is that I am unfamiliar with the equations and have no clue what to put down for them, especially with relativistic circumstances. Could you help show me the equations?
 
arella said:
My issue is that I am unfamiliar with the equations and have no clue what to put down for them, especially with relativistic circumstances. Could you help show me the equations?
Start with the momentum equation. Starting momentum on the left hand side. Can you figure out what goes there?
 
jbriggs444 said:
Start with the momentum equation. Starting momentum on the left hand side. Can you figure out what goes there?
mv*gamma is p, yet since I'm approaching this thinking the electron and anti-electron are massless, I'm unsure of how the equations work.
 
arella said:
mv*gamma is p, yet since I'm approaching this thinking the electron and anti-electron are massless, I'm unsure of how the equations work.
I think you are missing the forest for the trees. The total momentum at the beginning does not require any knowledge of relativity or quantum physics. We are given the initial momenta.
 
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arella said:
approaching this thinking the electron and anti-electron are massless
Wrong thought. You are given rest energies.
 
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arella said:
mv*gamma is p, yet since I'm approaching this thinking the electron and anti-electron are massless, I'm unsure of how the equations work.

Well, technically the electron and positron are not massless, but at these energies they are nearly massless.

PS As long as you understand why, you can treat them as effectively massless particles. That should simplify things.
 
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