Speed of a projectile launched from the moon?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the initial speed of a projectile launched vertically from the Moon to an altitude of 370 km. The problem involves concepts from kinematics and gravitational potential energy.

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  • Participants explore different methods, including kinematic equations and conservation of energy principles. There is a focus on the correct application of gravitational acceleration at varying altitudes.

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Some participants have provided guidance on using gravitational potential energy and have pointed out the need to consider changes in gravitational acceleration with altitude. There is ongoing clarification regarding the correct mass to use in calculations.

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Participants are working under the assumption that the mass of the projectile is not known, which affects the calculations of kinetic energy. The altitude of 370 km raises questions about the constancy of gravitational acceleration.

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Homework Statement



A projectile launched vertically from the surface of the Moon rises to an altitude of 370 km. What was the projectile's initial speed?

Homework Equations



h = 370,000 m
g moon = 1.62 m/s^2
G = 6.67x10^-11 N m^2/kg^2
Mass moon = 7.35x10^22 kg
Radius moon = 1.74X10^6 m

vf^2 = vi^2 - 2gh

The Attempt at a Solution



I calculated g on the moon to be 1.62 m/s^2. I then used kinematics (vf^2 = vi^2 - 2gh) and I get:

vf = 0
vi = ?
g = 1.62 m/s^2
vf^2 = Vi^2 - 2gh
solving for Vi = sqroot of Vf^2 + 2gh

I get initial velocity to be 1095.57 m/s. The answer is not correct, and I really don't understand what I'm doing wrong.
 
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Two methods
Conservation of energy
1/2mv^2 = mgh
Or motion equations:
v^2 = u^2 + 2gs (where final velocity is zero)

ps. g = 1.62m/s^2 for the moon is correct. Check your calculations
 
mgb_phys said:
Two methods
Conservation of energy
1/2mv^2 = mgh
Or motion equations:
v^2 = u^2 + 2gs (where final velocity is zero)

ps. g = 1.62m/s^2 for the moon is correct. Check your calculations

Thanks for your reply. I tried the equations again and I'm still getting the same answer. It is wrong and I don't understand why :(

Based on the conservation of energy equation you mentioned:
1/2mv^2 = mgh
1/2v^2 = gh
v^2 = 2gh
v = sqroot (2gh) = sqroot [(2)(1.62m/s^2)(370000m)]
v = 1095 m/s
 
Sorry the altitude is 370km so you can't assume that g is constant.
You need to do gravitational potential energy at the surface and at 370km - the difference is the KE

(Energy = GMm /r)
 
mgb_phys said:
Sorry the altitude is 370km so you can't assume that g is constant.
You need to do gravitational potential energy at the surface and at 370km - the difference is the KE

(Energy = GMm /r)

Ok, here is what I got using your advice:

GPE at the surface:
GMm/r = (6.67x10^-11 N m^2/kg^2)(7.35x10^22 kg) / 1.74x10^6 m = 2817500 J

GPE at 370km:
GMm/r = (6.67x10^-11 N m^2/kg^2)(7.35x10^22kg) / 370000m + 1.74x10^6 m = 2323436 J

2817500 J - 2323436 J = 494064 J = KE

Am I correct so far? Do I plug this number into 1/2mv^2 ?
 
Almost - you can't have Joules because you don't know the mass of the object (essentially you have assumed a 1kg mass) but that doesn't matter since you can also assume 1kg in the KE
 
I plugged in 494064 into KE = 1/2 mv^2

494064 = 1/2 (7.35x10^22kg) v^2
v = 3.66x10^-9

Does this sound correct?
 
No, the 'M' in that equation is the mass of the object you are throwing - not the mass of the moon.
 

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