Speed of a rocket using energy methods

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The problem involves a rocket launched at an angle with an initial speed, requiring the use of energy methods to determine its speed and velocity components at a lower altitude. The subject area includes concepts of kinetic and potential energy in the context of projectile motion.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of energy conservation principles at different altitudes and question the correctness of algebraic manipulations. There is uncertainty about the direction of motion when calculating speed at h/2.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring different interpretations of the energy equations and discussing the implications of the angle of launch. Some guidance has been provided regarding the application of energy conservation, but no consensus has been reached on the specific calculations.

Contextual Notes

There is a focus on the initial conditions of the rocket's motion, including the angle of launch and the altitude at which calculations are to be made. Participants express confusion about the algebraic steps and the significance of trigonometric functions in determining velocity components.

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Homework Statement


A rocket is launched such that when the fuel is exhausted, the rocket is moving with a speed of Vo at an angle of 37° with the horizontal and at an altitude h. (a) Use energy methods to find the speed of the rocket when its altitude is h/2. (b) Find the x and y components of velocity when the rockets altitude is h/2. Use the fact that Vx=Vxo = constant (since ax-0) and the result from a.


Homework Equations


The Kinetic and Potential energy equations


The Attempt at a Solution


I did
1/2mv2+mgy= E
and then I solved for v and got
v= (2Egy)1/2
the correct answer is (a) v = (v02 + gh)1/2
(b) vx= .799vo, vy= - (- 0.362vo2 +gh)1/2
I wasn't really sure how to approach this type of problem

 
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BrainMan said:

Homework Statement


A rocket is launched such that when the fuel is exhausted, the rocket is moving with a speed of Vo at an angle of 37° with the horizontal and at an altitude h. (a) Use energy methods to find the speed of the rocket when its altitude is h/2. (b) Find the x and y components of velocity when the rockets altitude is h/2. Use the fact that Vx=Vxo = constant (since ax-0) and the result from a.


Homework Equations


The Kinetic and Potential energy equations


The Attempt at a Solution


I did
1/2mv2+mgy= E
and then I solved for v and got
v= (2Egy)1/2
How did you manage to get that? It looks like you didn't do the algebra correctly.

the correct answer is (a) v = (v02 + gh)1/2
(b) vx= .799vo, vy= - (- 0.362vo2 +gh)1/2
I wasn't really sure how to approach this type of problem
 
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in a you solved for v wrong. You're attempting to do what they did, you just made a mistake that I think you can find.
When they say the speed at h/2, do they mean on the way up or down?
 
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I'm not sure and what could I do with that information?
 
BrainMan said:
1/2mv2+mgy= E
You have two instances where you can apply that equation: at the point where the fuel is exhausted, and again when it has descended to height h/2. Which term is the same at both points? What equation does that give you?
 
Is it that they both have the same amount of energy? So would you get something like 1/2mv2+mgy=1/2mv2+mgy?
 
BrainMan said:
Is it that they both have the same amount of energy? So would you get something like 1/2mv2+mgy=1/2mv2+mgy?
Yes, plugging in the appropriate values for v and y each side.
 
OK I get it but I am having trouble finding the y component. I did sin 37 to find the y component but it looks like in the answer they gave they have that number squared - (0.362vo2 +gh)1/2. Why is sin theta squared in this equation?
 
BrainMan said:
OK I get it but I am having trouble finding the y component. I did sin 37 to find the y component but it looks like in the answer they gave they have that number squared - (0.362vo2 +gh)1/2. Why is sin theta squared in this equation?

What is ##\ (v_0)_y\ ?\ ## Isn't sin(θ0) a factor of this?
 
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The initial speed in the y direction is Vo* sin(37). So shouldn't the equation be .601Vo instead of .362vo?
 
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BrainMan said:
The initial speed in the y direction is Vo* sin(37). So shouldn't the equation be .601Vo instead of .362vo?

If a speed is 0.601v, what is the square of that speed?
 
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OK I see how they got that answer. Thanks everyone!
 

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