Hitting a rocket with a projectile

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving projectile motion and the trajectory of a rocket. The original poster describes a scenario where a projectile is launched to hit a rocket at its maximum height, with specific parameters such as distance, initial speed, and gravitational acceleration provided. The goal is to derive an expression for the tangent of the launch angle in terms of given variables, excluding the initial speed.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the expression for tan(θ) using kinematic equations and integration, while some participants question the validity of the steps taken, particularly regarding integration and variable definitions. Others express uncertainty about the assumptions made regarding the motion of the rocket and projectile.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging in checking each other's calculations and assumptions. There is a focus on clarifying the integration steps and ensuring that the derived expressions are dimensionally consistent. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct application of integration and the need for dimensional analysis.

Contextual Notes

There are constraints regarding the use of specific variables in the final expression, and participants are navigating through potential errors in calculations and assumptions about the motion of the rocket and projectile. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to ensure accuracy in the problem-solving process.

  • #31
Thanks, I finally got ##\tan (\theta) = \frac {3A( A + 2 g )} {4 d B^2}##
 
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  • #32
But...why it’s still incorrect?
 
  • #33
It is should be ##\frac { 3A( A + 2g )} {4Bd}##?
Because ##v_{x,0}= \frac {Bd(\sqrt{3A/B})} {3A}##
where,##v_{x,0} t_f= d##
 
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  • #34
MichaelTam said:
Thanks, I finally got ##\tan (\theta) = \frac {3A( A + 2 g )} {4 d B^2}##
Use dimensional analysis to check your working.
Given the rocket's acceleration formula, A has dimension LT-2, B is LT-4. Your answer above fails the test.
 
  • #35
So the A must be in two dimension and B is 4 dimension, or A should be 1 dimension and B should be 3 dimension?
 
  • #36
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  • #37
I had post all of m steps and assumptions, but I don’t know where I am wrong?
 
  • #38
Is this time I get the correct dimensions of both A and B?
 
  • #39
MichaelTam said:
So the A must be in two dimension and B is 4 dimension, or A should be 1 dimension and B should be 3 dimension?
Sounds like you have not learned dimensional analysis. You should, it's quite easy and very useful.
 
  • #40
I know, but I find don’t know if 3Ag is in two dimension, and## 4dB^2## is in 4 dimensions respect to time?Can I count the g as a dimension for 3Ag?And is ##4dB^2## is not in 4 dimension but in 3 dimension?
 
  • #41
I just remember the analysis...when you tell me up about that tool.
 
  • #42
MichaelTam said:
I know, but I find don’t know if 3Ag is in two dimension, and## 4dB^2## is in 4 dimensions respect to time?
[Ag]=LT-2LT-2=L2T-4
[dB2]=L(LT-4)2=L3T-8.
 
  • #43
So it still incorrect?But where I am wrong...Is my assumption of ##v_{x,0}## is not correct or I make mistake on the ##v_{y,0}##?
 
  • #44
MichaelTam said:
So it still incorrect?But where I am wrong...
The point about using dimensional analysis is that you can check each step. Use 'binary chop'. Start in the middle of your working; if it's ok there go to three quarters of the way , etc.
 
  • #45
Ok, I am trying
 
  • #46
My assumption in the
## v_{y,0}-(gt_f/2)= (At_f/2) - (Bt_f/12)## ( after simplify ) is not correct in dimension ?
 
  • #47
I still can’t find out how I get wrong although I know the thing I said before is wrong, I don’t know how to fix it...
 
  • #48
Your last line in post #36 is ##\tan(\theta)=\frac{3A(A+2g)}{4Bd}##, which is dimensionally correct and looks like the right answer to me.
How do you know it is wrong?
 
  • #49
You mean plus or equal of the symbol?
 
  • #50
MichaelTam said:
You mean plus or equal of the symbol?
=
 
  • #51
Thanks!
 
  • #52
I pass the course!,!,!
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Thanks!You a lot!Very much!
 
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