Speed of body traveling in elliptical path

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The problem involves a body moving along an elliptical path defined by the equation r = sd/(1-s*cosP), with constants s and d. The task is to demonstrate that the body's speed can be expressed in a specific form given a constant angular speed.

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  • Participants discuss the need to find dr/dt and question whether it can be assumed to be zero due to the lack of explicit time dependence in the equation. There is also consideration of how to derive the magnitude of the velocity vector and the application of the chain rule in the context of the problem.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the relationship between the components of the velocity vector and the need to evaluate dr/dt. Others have noted the importance of recognizing the time dependence of P and r, leading to further exploration of the problem.

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There is a mention of confusion regarding the time dependence in the original equation and the implications for calculating derivatives. The discussion reflects an ongoing exploration of the assumptions and definitions involved in the problem.

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Homework Statement


A body follows an elliptical path defined by r = sd/(1-s*cosP), where s and d are constant. If the angular speed is constant (dP/dT = w), show that the body's speed is v = rw[1+{(r*sinP)/d}^2]^(1/2)


Homework Equations


v = dr/dT*rhat + r*dP/dT*Phat; P = theta, I am not sure how to insert a theta symbol


The Attempt at a Solution


Right now I am thinking that I should find dr/dt. But as I see it since, there is no time dependence in the original equation, dr/dt = 0. Am I safe to take the derivative of r and use it as v? I am thinking no, since v is the magnitude of the velocity vector. Thanks for the help!
 
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Varnson said:

Homework Statement


A body follows an elliptical path defined by r = sd/(1-s*cosP), where s and d are constant. If the angular speed is constant (dP/dT = w), show that the body's speed is v = rw[1+{(r*sinP)/d}^2]^(1/2)

Homework Equations


v = dr/dT*rhat + r*dP/dT*Phat; P = theta, I am not sure how to insert a theta symbol

The Attempt at a Solution


Right now I am thinking that I should find dr/dt. But as I see it since, there is no time dependence in the original equation, dr/dt = 0. Am I safe to take the derivative of r and use it as v? I am thinking no, since v is the magnitude of the velocity vector. Thanks for the help!
You've got the parts of it right, but you're a little confused.

[tex]\vec{v} = \frac{d}{dt} (r \hat{r} ) = r \omega \hat{\theta} + \hat{r} \frac{dr}{dt}[/tex]

From this, you can write down the magnitude of the velocity, [itex]| \vec{v} |[/itex]

The only missing piece, is to evaluate dr/dt. This you can do from the elliptic equation, with the time dependence embedded in [itex]\theta(t)[/itex].
 
Use the chain rule. d/dT=d/dP*dP/dT. P is a function of time and so is r through it's dependence on P.
 
I figured it out, I was stuck after I took the derivative, then i solved for r/d and the answer was right there in front of me! Thanks for the help!
 

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