Speed of light is it really constant?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the constancy of the speed of light, particularly in relation to its different wavelengths and frequencies. Participants explore the comparison between light and sound waves, questioning whether light might have a speed range similar to sound based on its properties.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that since light has different wavelengths and frequencies, it might have a speed range rather than a single speed, drawing a parallel to sound waves which travel at different rates based on their frequency.
  • Another participant asserts that the speed of light is constant and does not vary with wavelength, frequency, or amplitude, emphasizing that the speed of light changes only with the medium through which it travels.
  • A later reply questions the validity of comparing sound and light, stating that light does not produce sound and is not a mechanical vibration.
  • One participant acknowledges confusion regarding the relationship between sound and light, noting that while light can be associated with sounds detected by instruments, light itself does not create sound.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the analogy between light and sound. While some maintain that the speed of light is constant regardless of its properties, others explore the implications of comparing the two phenomena, leading to an unresolved discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the effects of medium on the propagation of sound and light, but the discussion does not resolve the nuances of these comparisons or the implications for the speed of light.

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I was just wondering because as I understand it, there are different wave lengths of light. Also, if I understand it correctly, "light" is both a wave and a particle (photon). Now, I was a SONAR specialist in the Navy and one of the things we had to learn there was that sound waves propagate/travel at different rates based on their wave length/frequency and the amount of power used to generate them. This is how we were able to determine how far away a sound source was and of course if it was a natural or man made sound. So... since light has different frequencies/wave lengths, wouldn't that mean that light has a speed range rather than just one? Or, when science refers to the speed of light, are they just referring to a single light frequency as well? Thanks.
 
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deathtical said:
I was just wondering because as I understand it, there are different wave lengths of light. Also, if I understand it correctly, "light" is both a wave and a particle (photon). Now, I was a SONAR specialist in the Navy and one of the things we had to learn there was that sound waves propagate/travel at different rates based on their wave length/frequency and the amount of power used to generate them. This is how we were able to determine how far away a sound source was and of course if it was a natural or man made sound. So... since light has different frequencies/wave lengths, wouldn't that mean that light has a speed range rather than just one? Or, when science refers to the speed of light, are they just referring to a single light frequency as well? Thanks.

The speed of light is a constant; wavelength, frequency, amplitude etc do not effect how fast light travels. The comparison with sound waves doesn't stand up as they are very different phenomenon. The speed of light does change with regards to the medium through which it travels, when scientists (or most people) talk about the speed of light they are normally referring to c which is the speed of light in a vacuum.
 
ryan_m_b said:
The speed of light is a constant; wavelength, frequency, amplitude etc do not effect how fast light travels. The comparison with sound waves doesn't stand up as they are very different phenomenon. The speed of light does change with regards to the medium through which it travels, when scientists (or most people) talk about the speed of light they are normally referring to c which is the speed of light in a vacuum.

Ah, ok. I thought the sound example might hold more weight since light does produce a "sound". We cannot hear it without assistance from a machine/computer but it does produce one. Actually, anything that "vibrates" (ie: has a wave length) produces a sound. I just depends on whether you have the ability to perceive it as such. Anyway... thanks. :approve:
 
...um, sound (and sonar) doesn't work that way either. Distance traveled varies with frequency, but speed does not.

...nor is itthe correct to say light is/has sound. light is not a [mechanical] vibration.
 
russ_watters said:
...um, sound (and sonar) doesn't work that way either. Distance traveled varies with frequency, but speed does not.

...nor is itthe correct to say light is/has sound. light is not a [mechanical] vibration.

Good catch. I should have said the density of the medium affects the speed and distance that sound travels. Hmm... that doesn't look right either. I defiantly know it affects how far it travels. A sound in water can be heard half way around the world (providing it is in the right propagation layer) where the same sound in the atmosphere may only be heard a few meters. Now I think about it the speed is constant and that's how we determined the distance to the target.

For light having sound. I think I may have confused that with the sound that stars make that can be heard on a radio telescope. All that churning and bubbling :wink:
 

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