Speed of sound minimum distance problem

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The discussion revolves around two problems related to the speed of sound in different mediums, specifically air and water, and the implications for distance calculations in practical scenarios. The first problem involves determining the minimum distance from an observer to a carpenter based on the timing of hammer strikes and sound travel. The second problem concerns the detection of echoes from underwater explosions to infer the depth of oil deposits beneath a lake.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the timing of sound travel in relation to the hammer strikes and question the assumptions made about the timing in the first problem. In the second problem, reasoning about sound travel times in water and the need for additional information about sound speed in granite is explored.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and clarifications regarding the timing of events in the first problem. In the second problem, there is an acknowledgment of the need for more information about sound speed in granite, indicating that further exploration of the problem is necessary.

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Participants note the importance of understanding the timing of sound travel and the characteristics of different materials, such as granite and water, which may affect the calculations. The original poster also expresses confusion regarding the discrepancies between their calculations and the book's answers.

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Hi all, just a question I am having trouble with

1.) You're watching a carpenter pound a nail. He hits the nail twice a second, but you hear the sound of the strike when his hammer is fully raised. What is the minimum distance from you to the carpenter? assume the air temperature is 20 degrees celsius.

I figured that since the speed of sound in air at 20 degrees celsius is 343 m/s and it takes him 0.50 seconds to hit the nail once, that the minimum distance is (0.5) (343) which is 171.5 m but the book says the answer is 86m
 
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You're not accounting for the fact that although the nail is struck twice in one second, it takes a certain amount of time for the man to raise his hammer for the next strike on the nail head. Look at it this way: time = 0, hammer hits nail; time = 0.25 s, hammer at max. height above nail and you hear sound from previous strike; time = 0.50 s, hammer hits nail, time = 0.75 s, hammer at max. height and sound is heard; time = 1.0 s, hammer hits nail. Therefore, you are 0.25 * 343 = 85.75 m from the nail.
 
ok thanks for that, i understand it now. since you're here I might as well get help with another quesiton:

Oil explorers set off explosives to make louds sounds, then listens for the echoes from underground oil deposits. Geologists suspect that there is oil under 500-m deep lake physics. It's known that lake physics is carved out of a granite basin. Explorers detect a weak echo 0.94s after exploding dynamite at the lake surface. If it's really oil, how deep will they have to drill into the granite to reach it?

i reasoned that since the speed of sound in water is 1480 m/s and it takes 0.94/s or 0.47 seconds to reach the oil bed, that the sound wave from the explosion travels 695.6m which is 195.6m from the granite basin. the book says the answer is 760m
 
Do they tell you the speed of sound in granite? It should be much faster than in water, right?
 

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