Wavelength of the sounds at zero degrees

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the velocity of sound in air at different temperatures, specifically at 20 °C and 0 °C, based on a given frequency of 550 Hz and a wavelength of 600 mm. Participants are exploring how temperature affects sound velocity and wavelength.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of sound velocity using the formula v = f λ and question the differences in values obtained for sound speed at different temperatures. There is uncertainty about the assumptions made regarding the temperature dependence of sound velocity.

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Some participants have offered guidance on how to calculate the velocity of sound at 0 °C using the relationship between temperatures and sound speed. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of using non-standard values for sound speed in calculations.

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Participants note that the data provided in the problem may not align with standard experimental values, prompting questions about the accuracy and relevance of the given information.

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Homework Statement


A source of sound frequency 550 Hz emits waves of wavelength 600 mm in air at 20 °C. What is the velocity of sound in air at this temperature? What would be the wavelength of the sound from this source in air at 0 °C?

Answers: 330 m s-1, 579 mm

2. The attempt at a solution
v = f λ = 550 * 0.6 = 330 m s-1

Regarding the wavelength of the sound at 0 degrees I am not sure what to do. I looked up here that 0 degrees have a speed of 331.01 m s-1, so λ = v / f = 0.601 m or 602 mm. Which is wrong.

I also substituted 20 °C and got 343 m s-1. Why does the number differ with the one I got (330 m s-1)?
 
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moenste said:
Regarding the wavelength of the sound at 0 degrees I am not sure what to do. I looked up here that 0 degrees have a speed of 331.01 m s-1, so λ = v / f = 0.601 m or 602 mm. Which is wrong.

how the velocity of sound in air varies with temperature?
your data given in the problem may not be exactly equal to experimental data?
 
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drvrm said:
how the velocity of sound in air varies with temperature?
your data given in the problem may not be exactly equal to experimental data?
v (or c) ∝ √T

Perhaps it is not exactly equal. What did I overlook in the second part?
 
moenste said:
Perhaps it is not exactly equal. What did I overlook in the second part?

well i can not say...as i do not have your calculation before me...you may take the first data at 20 degree as the supplied one and calculate at zero degree and see what value it gives...pl. convert the centigrade to kelvin scale of temperature..
 
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drvrm said:
well i can not say...as i do not have your calculation before me...you may take the first data at 20 degree as the supplied one and calculate at zero degree and see what value it gives...pl. convert the centigrade to kelvin scale of temperature..
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moenste said:
A source of sound frequency 550 Hz emits waves of wavelength 600 mm in air at 20 °C. What is the velocity of sound in air at this temperature?
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moenste said:
v = f λ = 550 * 0.6 = 330 m s-1
Why do we need 20 degrees in the first place if we can get 330 m / s using v = f λ?

And this:
moenste said:
What would be the wavelength of the sound from this source in air at 0 °C?
=
moenste said:
Regarding the wavelength of the sound at 0 degrees I am not sure what to do. I looked up here that 0 degrees have a speed of 331.01 m s-1, so λ = v / f = 0.601 m or 602 mm. Which is wrong.
Where 331.01 m / s is found using this formula (ϑ = 0 °C).
 
moenste said:
Where 331.01 m / s is found using this formula (ϑ = 0 °C).

you are given with a speed of sound at 20 degree (as said in the problem) ; now you have to calculate the speed/velocity at zero degree from that value you can get the wavelength using V(at 0 degree) = frequency x wavelength , this number will be wavelength at 0degree as frequency does not change.
for calculating V(0) you have the relation V(0) / V(20) = SQRT ( T(0) / T (20))
i think the new wavelength will be around your answer.
now if you compare with standard data the speeds quoted at 20 degree is around 346 m/s and it gets to 331 m/s at zero.
so your problem setter/writer is not using standard values ..perhaps..though its not a good practice...
 
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drvrm said:
you are given with a speed of sound at 20 degree (as said in the problem) ; now you have to calculate the speed/velocity at zero degree from that value you can get the wavelength using V(at 0 degree) = frequency x wavelength , this number will be wavelength at 0degree as frequency does not change.
for calculating V(0) you have the relation V(0) / V(20) = SQRT ( T(0) / T (20))
i think the new wavelength will be around your answer.
now if you compare with standard data the speeds quoted at 20 degree is around 346 m/s and it gets to 331 m/s at zero.
so your problem setter/writer is not using standard values ..perhaps..though its not a good practice...
Alright, so to sum up:

(a) We have got a source of sound frequency 550 Hz that emits waves of wavelength 600 mm in air at 20 °C. At this temperature the velocity of sound is equal: v = f λ = 550 * 0.6 = 330 m s-1 at 20 °C.

(b) Now we need to find the wavelength of the sound from this source in air at 0 °C. We re-arrange the abovementioned formula for the wavelength to get: λ = v / f. We don't have the velocity at 0 °C. So we use: v0 °C / v20 °C = √T0 °C / T20 °C (where temperature T is in Kelvin) and we have v0 °C / 330 = √273.15 / 293.15. So, v0 °C = 318.5 m s-1. Substituting it into the formula gives us: λ = 318.5 / 550 = 0.579 m or 579 mm.
 
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moenste said:
Alright, so to sum up:
as far as your problem is concerned
you got the right answer but 'must' remember the data given is not physical and may not be used in future. must use data from a source 'table of velocities' at different temp.
it appears -it was an exercise to check whether one knows the variation of velocity of sound in a medium with temperature.
 
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