# Speed of wave from wave equation.

1. May 25, 2013

### back2square1

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
A travelling pulse is given by $f(x,t)=A{ e }^{ \frac { 2abxt-{ a }^{ 2 }{ x }^{ 2 }-{ b }^{ 2 }{ t }^{ 2 } }{ { c }^{ 2 } } }$ where $A, a, b, c$ are positive constants of appropriate dimentions. The speed of pulse is:
a) $\frac { b }{ a }$
b) $\frac { 2b }{ a }$
c) $\frac { cb }{ a }$
d) $\frac { b }{ 2a }$

2. Relevant equations
$\tilde { f } (x,t)=\tilde { A } { e }^{ i(kx-\omega t) }$ and
$\omega=kv$
$\tilde { f }$ is complex wave function.
$\tilde { A }$ is complex amplitude.
$k$ is the wave number.
$\omega$ is angular frequency.
$v$ is the velocity of pulse.

3. The attempt at a solution
The strategy was reduce the equation into the standard wave equation and see which part corresponds with $\omega$ and $k$. Once we find the expression for $\omega$ and $k$, its not very difficult to find the velocity using the 2nd equation.

The equation doesn't contain $i$. But reducing the equation, we get something like this,
$f(x,t)={ e }^{ { (i\frac { ax-bt }{ c } ) }^{ 2 } }$. The only problem is how to get rid of the square? Using logarithms wasn't helpful.
1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

2. Relevant equations

3. The attempt at a solution

2. May 25, 2013

### Mandelbroth

Your wave function is a function of position and time. What is speed, with respect to these two variables? :tongue:

3. May 25, 2013

### TSny

This equation is for a "sinusoidal" or "harmonic" wave that extends from -∞ to ∞.

More generally, any well-behaved function f(x,t) of the form f(x-vt) would represent a wave traveling in the positive x direction with speed v. (You do not need to have $i$ in the expression).

Can you express your function in the form f(x-vt)?

4. May 26, 2013

### back2square1

I don't understand. ${ e }^{ i\theta }=cos(\theta )+i sin(\theta )$ is the reason why we can write sinusoidal wave in Euler's from. Without $i$, how can we say its a sinusoidal wave?

Expressing it as a function of $x-vt$, it looks like this: $f(x-vt)=A{ e }^{ -\frac { a }{ c } { (x-\frac { b }{ a } t) }^{ 2 } }$, which indicates that velocity of pulse is $v=\frac { b }{ a }$. So, are you trying to say that is the answer?

5. May 26, 2013

### voko

Note that you are talking about "sinusoidal" waves. Non-sinusoidal waves do not have to be in that form, naturally. Yet they must still have a propagation velocity, so that can't depend on some property of trigonometric functions.

The only reason why we study sinusoidal waves extensively is because they are the simplest solutions of the wave equation and because practically any wave can be represented as an (infinite) sum of sinusoidal waves.

6. May 26, 2013

### TSny

Yes, that's essentially right. I think the factor of a/c should also be squared, but that doesn't change the answer.