Speed of wave from wave equation.

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The discussion revolves around determining the speed of a traveling pulse described by a specific wave equation. The wave equation involves parameters A, a, b, and c, which are positive constants. Participants are exploring how to extract the speed of the pulse from the given mathematical expression.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss reducing the wave equation to a standard form to identify the wave number and angular frequency. There is an attempt to express the function in the form f(x-vt) to find the speed of the pulse. Some participants question the necessity of the imaginary unit i in the context of sinusoidal waves.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing their reasoning and questioning assumptions about the wave function's form. There is a recognition of the relationship between the expression and the speed of the pulse, although there is no explicit consensus on the final answer.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of the wave equation and its implications for speed, while also addressing the nature of sinusoidal versus non-sinusoidal waves. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the mathematical expressions involved.

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Homework Statement


A traveling pulse is given by f(x,t)=A{ e }^{ \frac { 2abxt-{ a }^{ 2 }{ x }^{ 2 }-{ b }^{ 2 }{ t }^{ 2 } }{ { c }^{ 2 } } } where A, a, b, c are positive constants of appropriate dimentions. The speed of pulse is:
a) \frac { b }{ a }
b) \frac { 2b }{ a }
c) \frac { cb }{ a }
d) \frac { b }{ 2a }

Homework Equations


\tilde { f } (x,t)=\tilde { A } { e }^{ i(kx-\omega t) } and
\omega=kv
\tilde { f } is complex wave function.
\tilde { A } is complex amplitude.
k is the wave number.
\omega is angular frequency.
v is the velocity of pulse.

The Attempt at a Solution


The strategy was reduce the equation into the standard wave equation and see which part corresponds with \omega and k. Once we find the expression for \omega and k, its not very difficult to find the velocity using the 2nd equation.

The equation doesn't contain i. But reducing the equation, we get something like this,
f(x,t)={ e }^{ { (i\frac { ax-bt }{ c } ) }^{ 2 } }. The only problem is how to get rid of the square? Using logarithms wasn't helpful.
 
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back2square1 said:

Homework Statement


A traveling pulse is given by f(x,t)=A{ e }^{ \frac { 2abxt-{ a }^{ 2 }{ x }^{ 2 }-{ b }^{ 2 }{ t }^{ 2 } }{ { c }^{ 2 } } } where A, a, b, c are positive constants of appropriate dimentions. The speed of pulse is:
a) \frac { b }{ a }
b) \frac { 2b }{ a }
c) \frac { cb }{ a }
d) \frac { b }{ 2a }
Your wave function is a function of position and time. What is speed, with respect to these two variables? :-p
 
back2square1 said:
\tilde { f } (x,t)=\tilde { A } { e }^{ i(kx-\omega t) }
This equation is for a "sinusoidal" or "harmonic" wave that extends from -∞ to ∞.

More generally, any well-behaved function f(x,t) of the form f(x-vt) would represent a wave traveling in the positive x direction with speed v. (You do not need to have ##i## in the expression).

Can you express your function in the form f(x-vt)?
 
TSny said:
You do not need to have ##i## in the expression.

I don't understand. ##{ e }^{ i\theta }=cos(\theta )+i sin(\theta )## is the reason why we can write sinusoidal wave in Euler's from. Without ##i##, how can we say its a sinusoidal wave?

TSny said:
Can you express your function in the form f(x-vt)?
Expressing it as a function of ##x-vt##, it looks like this: ##f(x-vt)=A{ e }^{ -\frac { a }{ c } { (x-\frac { b }{ a } t) }^{ 2 } }##, which indicates that velocity of pulse is ##v=\frac { b }{ a }##. So, are you trying to say that is the answer?
 
back2square1 said:
I don't understand. ##{ e }^{ i\theta }=cos(\theta )+i sin(\theta )## is the reason why we can write sinusoidal wave in Euler's from. Without ##i##, how can we say its a sinusoidal wave?

Note that you are talking about "sinusoidal" waves. Non-sinusoidal waves do not have to be in that form, naturally. Yet they must still have a propagation velocity, so that can't depend on some property of trigonometric functions.

The only reason why we study sinusoidal waves extensively is because they are the simplest solutions of the wave equation and because practically any wave can be represented as an (infinite) sum of sinusoidal waves.
 
back2square1 said:
Expressing it as a function of ##x-vt##, it looks like this: ##f(x-vt)=A{ e }^{ -\frac { a }{ c } { (x-\frac { b }{ a } t) }^{ 2 } }##, which indicates that velocity of pulse is ##v=\frac { b }{ a }##. So, are you trying to say that is the answer?

Yes, that's essentially right. I think the factor of a/c should also be squared, but that doesn't change the answer.
 
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