Spherical Tensor operators for half-integers

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The discussion revolves around the existence and formulation of spherical tensor operators for half-integer values of k, contrasting them with the established forms for integer values. Participants explore definitions, relationships between spherical and Cartesian bases, and the implications of half-integer representations in quantum mechanics.

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  • One participant inquires about the existence of spherical tensor operators for half-integer values of k, questioning why such operators might not exist.
  • Another participant provides a definition of irreducible tensor operators, stating that the formulation applies to both integer and half-integer k.
  • A follow-up question asks whether explicit forms of half-integer spherical operators can be expressed in terms of Cartesian components, similar to integer cases.
  • Discussion includes the relationship between spherical and Cartesian bases, with an explanation of how integer representations can be derived from tensor products of Cartesian components.
  • Participants note that half-integer representations cannot be derived from products of three-dimensional representations alone and require the inclusion of spinor quantities.
  • A later post raises a question about the contraction of these operators with a metric and whether associated coefficients would be the Clebsch-Gordan coefficients, seeking clarification on the validity of this approach.

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Participants express differing views on the formulation and existence of spherical tensor operators for half-integer values, with no consensus reached on the implications or specific forms of these operators.

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The discussion highlights limitations in the understanding of half-integer representations and the complexities involved in relating them to Cartesian components, as well as the potential ambiguity in the use of contraction with metrics.

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Hi,

There are, for example, lists of spherical tensor operators for l=\text{integer} steps, e.g. l=0,1,2,....

<br /> T_{k}^{q}(J)\rightarrow T_{0}^{0}=1, \quad T_{1}^{\pm 1}=\mp \sqrt{\frac{1}{2}}J_{\pm},\quad T_{1}^0=J_z<br />
and this continues forever. I was wondering if there are operators in this spherical tensor form for half integers steps of k instead of integer. And if not, why?

Thank you,
 
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Sure, the definition is: an irreducible tensor operator T(k) is a set of 2k+1 operators T(k q), q = -k,... , k which transforms under an infinitesimal rotation as

[J±, T(k q)] = [(k ∓ q)(k ± q + 1)]1/2
[J0, T(k, q)] = q T(k q)

This works for both integer and half-integer k.
 
Bill_K said:
Sure, the definition is: an irreducible tensor operator T(k) is a set of 2k+1 operators T(k q), q = -k,... , k which transforms under an infinitesimal rotation as

[J±, T(k q)] = [(k ∓ q)(k ± q + 1)]1/2
[J0, T(k, q)] = q T(k q)

This works for both integer and half-integer k.

Great! Thanks Bill. The integer ones seem to have explicit forms relating back to Cartesian components, for instance,
<br /> J_{+}=a_{1}+ia_{2}<br />
etc... Do such forms exist for the half integer spherical operators? For instance is it possible to write T\left( \frac{7}{2},q\right) in terms of Cartesian components (a_{0},a_1 ,a_2,...)?

Thanks again.
 
OK, now it gets interesting. What you're asking is the relationship between the components of a tensor in the spherical basis as opposed to the Cartesian basis. The Cartesian basis starts with the 3 representation and the three basis vectors ex, ey, ez, and for ℓ = 1 the relationship is easy to write down: e± = ex ± i ey, e0 = ez. (I'm ignoring √2's)

The representations for ℓ = integer > 1 are irreducible and contained in 33 ⊗ ... ⊗ 3. Which means you take the tensor product of ℓ copies of ex, ey, ez with itself and project out the highest irreducible part. So for example for ℓ = 2,
e0 = 2 exex - eyey - ezez
e±1 = ez(ex ± i ey) + (ex ± i ey)ez
e±2 = (ex ± i ey)(ex ± i ey)
From these relations you can read off the Cartesian components Txx, Txy, etc in terms of the spherical components T0, T±1, T±2.

However, when you come to a half-integer representation, ℓ = n + ½, it is not contained in any product of 3's. What you must do is to take in addition a spinor quantity, transforming as the 2 representation, and consider products of this with n copies of 3. Thus the building blocks are the "spin spherical harmonics", i.e. the spherical decomposition of a two-spinor field χ(x, y, z).
 
Thanks Bill. I understand these things live on a sphere, but have you ever seen their contraction written with a metric like
<br /> C_{l\, l&#039;,m\,m&#039;}A^{l,m}\sigma^{l&#039;,m&#039;}=C_{00,m\, m&#039;}A^{0,m}\sigma^{0,m&#039;}+C_{\frac{1}{2}\frac{1}{2},m\, m&#039;}A^{\frac{1}{2},m}\sigma^{\frac{1}{2},m&#039;}+ C_{11,m\, m&#039;}A^{1,m}\sigma^{1,m&#039;}+...<br />
with C some associated coefficients? Would these just be the CB coefficients, or does it not even make sense?
 

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