Spin-half mass term with symmetry breaking

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The discussion revolves around the application of symmetry breaking in the context of spin-half particles, specifically examining the Lagrangian densities for scalar and spinor fields. Participants explore the implications of mass terms and potential minimization in these frameworks, referencing concepts from quantum field theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant discusses the scalar Lagrangian density and its mass term, questioning if a similar approach can be applied to a spin-half particle using the spinor Lagrangian density.
  • Another participant points out that the spinor field \(\psi\) is an anticommuting object, which complicates the minimization process, as \(\bar{\psi}\psi\) cannot take on a numerical value like \(\mu/\lambda\).
  • A later reply introduces the idea of field redefinition to change the sign of \(\mu\), suggesting that the sign does not matter in this context.
  • Further contributions discuss the implications of the quartic term in different dimensions, noting that in 4D it is nonrenormalizable and does not affect the vacuum state, while in 2D it can bind fermions and is related to the Gross-Neveu model.
  • Participants highlight the difference in symmetry breaking mechanisms between the Gross-Neveu model and the massive \(\phi^4\) theory, emphasizing that the former's symmetry breaking arises from quantum effects.
  • There is a mention of the Yukawa coupling between fermions and the Higgs field as a method to generate masses for fermions, with the coupling strength being a free parameter determined by measured fermion mass.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the mass term and the role of symmetry breaking in the context of spin-half particles. There is no consensus on how to apply the concepts from scalar fields to spinors, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to understanding these relationships.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the complexity of the anticommuting nature of spinor fields, the dimensionality of the theory affecting the renormalizability of terms, and the unresolved mathematical steps in relating the scalar and spinor cases.

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I've been thinking about chapter 11 of Griffiths' Introduction to Elementary Particles. In section 11.7, he gives the Lagrangian density

\mathcal{L}=\frac{1}{2}(\partial_{\mu}\phi)(\partial^{\mu}\phi)+\frac{1}{2}\mu^{2}\phi^{2}-\frac{1}{4}\lambda^{2}\phi^{4}

and shows that the minimum occurs at

\phi=\pm\frac{\mu}{\lambda}

and thus that the shifted potential picks up a mass term

m=\sqrt{2}\mu

in natural units. Now, I'm wondering if you can do the same thing with a spin-half particle. For example, if we have the spinor Lagrangian density

\mathcal{L}=i\bar{\psi}\gamma^{\nu}\partial_{\nu}\psi+\mu\bar{\psi}\psi-\frac{1}{2}(\bar{\psi}\psi)^{2}

can we shift the spinors in such a manner that we can read off the mass term? Even the simple task of minimizing the potential is confusing. If we take the partial w.r.t. ψ, then

\frac{\partial\mathcal{L}}{\partial\psi}=\mu\bar{\psi}-\lambda\bar{\psi}(\bar{\psi}\psi)

which when set to zero gives

\bar{\psi}\psi_{min}=\frac{\mu}{\lambda}.

That's as far as I can really get without confusing myself entirely. Any insight would be much appreciated.
 
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This doesn't work in this case, because \psi is an anticommuting object, not an ordinary number; \bar\psi\psi cannot take on a numerical value like \mu/\lambda.

Another aspect of this is that the sign of \mu doesn't matter; by making the field redefinition
\psi\to \exp(i\pi\gamma_5/2)\psi
\bar\psi\to \bar\psi\exp(i\pi\gamma_5/2)
we get
\bar\psi\psi\to -\bar\psi\psi
i\bar\psi\gamma^\nu\partial_\nu\psi\to i\bar\psi\gamma^\nu\partial_\nu\psi
which is equivalent to changing the sign of \mu.
 
welcomeblack said:
Now, I'm wondering if you can do the same thing with a spin-half particle. For example, if we have the spinor Lagrangian density

\mathcal{L}=i\bar{\psi}\gamma^{\nu}\partial_{\nu}\psi+\mu\bar{\psi}\psi-\frac{1}{2}(\bar{\psi}\psi)^{2}

can we shift the spinors in such a manner that we can read off the mass term? Even the simple task of minimizing the potential is confusing. If we take the partial w.r.t. ψ, then

\frac{\partial\mathcal{L}}{\partial\psi}=\mu\bar{\psi}-\lambda\bar{\psi}(\bar{\psi}\psi)

which when set to zero gives

\bar{\psi}\psi_{min}=\frac{\mu}{\lambda}.

That's as far as I can really get without confusing myself entirely. Any insight would be much appreciated.

This is a very interesting question. In 4d, the quartic term is nonrenormalizable (##\lambda## has dimensions of ##[\mathrm{mass}]^{-2}##)and doesn't affect the vacuum state. In 2d, the 4-fermi term is marginal (has the same mass dimension as the kinetic term and ##\lambda## is dimensionless) and can bind fermions (if the sign is chosen appropriately). In 2d, the model with ##\mu=0## is known as the Gross-Neveu model (a detailed solution can be found here).

The study of the vacuum state in the Gross-Neveu model is different than that of the massive ##\phi^4## theory, since the symmetry breaking is due to quantum effects, whereas in the massive ##\phi^4## theory it is already present at the classical level.

The interest in studying the model with ##m=0## is that it is only in that case that the classical model has the chiral symmetry

\psi\to \exp(i\pi\gamma_5/2)\psi,~~~\bar\psi\to \bar\psi\exp(i\pi\gamma_5/2),

that Avodyne mentions. For nonzero ##\mu##, the chiral symmetry is broken. Instead of concluding that the sign of ##\mu## doesn't matter, one should instead conclude that instead it must be the case that ##\mu=0## in order for the Lagrangian to be invariant under chiral symmetry.

Gross and Neveu studied the quantum theory of the Lagrangian with ##N## fermions ##\psi_a##:

\mathcal{L}=i\sum_a \bar{\psi}_a\gamma^{\nu}\partial_{\nu}\psi_a +\frac{g_0}{2}\left(\sum_a \bar{\psi}_a\psi_a\right)^{2}.

The + sign of the 4-fermi term corresponds to the attractive force. They found that quantum effects cause the expectation value of

$$ \sigma = - g_0^2 \sum_a \bar{\psi}_a\psi_a$$

to take a nonzero value. Therefore, even in the absence of a mass, the vacuum state breaks the chiral symmetry (that would have taken ##\sigma \rightarrow - \sigma##).

The Gross-Neveu model is interesting because it is considered a toy model of how chiral symmetry that acts on the quarks in QCD is broken by the strong interactions in the QCD vacuum.
 
there is a reason why he chose the scalar field for example.It is in this way the higgs acquire a vacuum expectation value.Anyway if you want to give masses to fermions,you can generate masses via their coupling to a scalar field(higgs field so far).The coupling is the yukawa coupling between fermions and this higgs field.The coupling strength however is free parameter and determined by measured fermion mass.
 

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