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The discussion revolves around the time evolution of a quantum state in a magnetic field, specifically focusing on a Hamiltonian that describes the interaction of a spin system with a magnetic field initially aligned in the x-direction. The original poster is tasked with showing how the initial state, characterized by a spin-up eigenvalue in the z-direction, evolves over time.

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  • Participants explore the implications of using eigenstates of the spin operator S_z in the context of the Hamiltonian, questioning the validity of the initial state representation. There is discussion about the need to express the state in terms of eigenstates of S_x instead. Some participants express confusion about how to represent the state correctly and the implications of the Hamiltonian's form on the time evolution of the spin state.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some suggesting the need to transition to a basis where the Hamiltonian is diagonal. There is recognition of the complexity involved in calculating the time evolution of the state and the necessity of understanding the precession of the spin state in relation to the changing magnetic field direction.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the initial conditions and the assumptions regarding the magnetic field's direction, particularly how it affects the representation of the quantum state. Participants are also considering the implications of the Hamiltonian's structure on the evolution of the spin state.

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Homework Statement


I have a B field initially in the x-direction, and its constant:
\widehat{H}= - (\dfrac{e}{mc})\overrightarrow{B} \dot{} \overrightarrow{S}

At t=0 it was prepared so that Sz has an eigenvalue of + hbar/2
I want to show the time evolution of the initial state.

Homework Equations


\widehat{H}= - (\dfrac{e}{mc})\overrightarrow{B} \dot{} \overrightarrow{S}
\widehat{U} = e^{\dfrac{-i H}{\hbar}t} Time evolution

The Attempt at a Solution


It would evolve as so:
|\alpha, t> = c_{1} e^{\dfrac{-i H}{\hbar}t} |+> +c_{2} e^{\dfrac{-i H}{\hbar}t} |->

But we know at t = 0 it should give us a spin up of hbar/2..
So evaluate at t=0:

|\alpha, 0> = c_{1} e^{\dfrac{-i H}{\hbar}0} |+> +c_{2} e^{\dfrac{-i H}{\hbar}0} |->
|\alpha, 0> = c_{1} |+>+c_{2} |-> = 1|+>
Then that means that C1 = 1 and C2 = 0..?

But intuitively I know that it precesses in the ZY plane since B is in the X-direction.. If I just got rid of the C2 coefficient, then i will never be able to show how it precesses into the spin down? Ahh i feel like I'm missing something here.. Any tips on what I am doing wrong?
 
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Lawrencel2 said:
It would evolve as so:
|\alpha, t> = c_{1} e^{\dfrac{-i H}{\hbar}t} |+> +c_{2} e^{\dfrac{-i H}{\hbar}t} |->
If ##| + \rangle## and ##| - \rangle## are eigenstates of ##S_z##, then they are not eigenstates of the Hamiltonian. This equation is therefore not correct.
 
DrClaude said:
If ##| + \rangle## and ##| - \rangle## are eigenstates of ##S_z##, then they are not eigenstates of the Hamiltonian. This equation is therefore not correct.
Then how can I express the state? I need to find the development of the state up to some arbitrary time T when the b field switches into the z direction...
 
You have to write it in terms of the eigenstates of ##S_x##.
 
DrClaude said:
You have to write it in terms of the eigenstates of ##S_x##.
AH. well I'm confused now.
\vert\alpha, t \rangle = \dfrac{a}{\sqrt{2}} e^{i t\dfrac{H}{\hbar}} \vert +\rangle\pm\dfrac{b}{\sqrt{2}} e^{i t\dfrac{H}{\hbar}} \vert -\rangle
the summed state represents spin up in z and difference terms represent spin down?
 
Let me introduce a notation to make things clearer:
$$
\hat{S}_z | \pm \rangle_z = \pm \frac{\hbar}{2} | \pm \rangle_z \\
\hat{S}_x | \pm \rangle_x = \pm \frac{\hbar}{2} | \pm \rangle_x
$$
What you are writing is
$$
|\alpha, t \rangle = c_1 e^{-i \hat{H} t / \hbar} | + \rangle_z + c_2 e^{-i \hat{H} t / \hbar} | - \rangle_z
$$
The problem is that ##| + \rangle_z## and ##| - \rangle_z## are not eigenstates of ##\hat{H}## (you should show that). That means that ##e^{-i \hat{H} t / \hbar}## mixes the two spin states, and you can't treat it as a simple complex number. You also cannot easily calculate the exponential of a matrix that is not diagonal.

You therefore need to go to a basis where ##\hat{H}## is diagonal, i.e., a basis of eigenstates of ##\hat{H}##, namely ##| + \rangle_x## and ##| - \rangle_x## (you can show that also). Then you need to take the correct initial state in this basis, look at its time evolution, and if you calculate for instance ##\langle \hat{S}_z \rangle##, you will find that it is time-dependent, hence you will indeed see a precession in the yz plane.
 
So I started over and found the EigenVectors of the hamiltonian at t<T (Interval where B points in X-direction)..
<br /> \mid\alpha\rangle = \dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \mid +\rangle_{x} e^{\dfrac{\imath e B_{x} t}{2mc}}+ \dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \mid -\rangle_{x} e^{\dfrac{-\imath e B_{x} t}{2mc}}\\<br /> Where: \\<br /> \mid +\rangle_{x} =\binom{1}{1}<br /> <br /> \mid -\rangle_{x} =\binom{1}{-1}<br />But I don't know what X is initially, I only know where it is in Z. When I evaluate it for t=0 I get:
<br /> <br /> \mid\alpha, t=0 \rangle = \dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \mid +\rangle_{x} + \dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \mid -\rangle_{x}
Which gives us: //
<br /> \mid\alpha, t=0 \rangle = \binom{1}{0}<br />
Which is the spin up Z ket correct?
So when t -> T
My hamiltonian then changes to B in the Z direction
 
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