Spiral path in polar coordinates problem

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The discussion focuses on a bee's motion described by polar coordinates, where the challenge is to demonstrate that the angle between the velocity and acceleration vectors remains constant. Participants derive expressions for velocity and acceleration using polar coordinates and discuss the implications of the dot product of these vectors. The key insight is that if the angle remains constant, its time derivative must also be constant. There is some confusion regarding whether the angle corresponds to the given angle θ = ct, but the consensus is to show that cos(θ) equals a constant, indicating a constant angle between the vectors. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding vector relationships and their derivatives in this context.
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A bee goes from its hive in a spiral path given in plane polar coordinates by
r = b*ekt , θ = ct,
where b, k, c are positive constants. Show that the angle between the velocity vector and the
acceleration vector remains constant as the bee moves outward. (Hint: Find v · a/va.)


attempts.

v=r[dot]r[hat]+(r)θ[dot]θ[hat]

a=(r[double dot]-rθ[dot]^2)r[hat]+(rθ[double dot]+2r[dot]θ[dot])θ[hat]

r[prime]=bke^kt

r[double prime]= bk^(2)e^kt

θ[prime]=c

I know that v · a/va = vacosθ/va = cosθ, but I am unsure what to do with this knowledge or where to go from here,

thanks guys
 
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Well, if the angle between the two vectors is a constant, then the time derivative of that angle should be constant, correct?

Also, be careful. Is it correct to say that the angle between the two vectors (cos\phi) is the same as the angle given to you ( \theta = ct).
 
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Ah I see, so I should basically show that (va)cos(theta)/va cancels out to leave cos(theta), the time derivative of which is constant, showing that my angle is constant?
 
Also, if the angle between my two vectors is not theta, would it be v, since that seems to point in the same direction?

EDIT: So I want to show that cosθ=va/va, and that this equals a constant, so is a constant
 
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Remember what a dot product is:
\vec{r_{1}}\cdot \vec{r_{2}} = x_{1}x_{2} + y_{1}y_{2} + z_{1}z_{2} = |r_{1}||r_{2}|cos \phi
You can either sum of the product of the components of the two vectors or multiply there magnitudes times the angle between the vectors. You can use the above equation to solve for \phi and see if it has any time dependence. I am not convinced that the angle between the velocity and acceleration vectors is \theta = ct. And if it were, \theta is not constant in time.
 
Koi9 said:
EDIT: So I want to show that cosθ=va/va, and that this equals a constant, so is a constant

Precisely.
 

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