Spiral path in polar coordinates problem

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The problem involves a bee moving in a spiral path described by polar coordinates, with the objective of demonstrating that the angle between the velocity and acceleration vectors remains constant as the bee moves outward. The parameters include constants related to the spiral's growth and angular velocity.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the velocity and acceleration vectors, considering the implications of the angle between them being constant. There are attempts to express this relationship using the dot product and to analyze the time derivative of the angle. Some participants question whether the angle between the vectors corresponds to the given angle in the problem.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring various interpretations of the angle between the vectors and its implications. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of the dot product to analyze the relationship between the vectors, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or interpretation of the angle.

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Participants note potential confusion regarding the relationship between the angle derived from the vectors and the angle defined in the problem. There is also a focus on ensuring that the mathematical expressions used are correctly interpreted in the context of the problem.

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A bee goes from its hive in a spiral path given in plane polar coordinates by
r = b*ekt , θ = ct,
where b, k, c are positive constants. Show that the angle between the velocity vector and the
acceleration vector remains constant as the bee moves outward. (Hint: Find v · a/va.)


attempts.

v=r[dot]r[hat]+(r)θ[dot]θ[hat]

a=(r[double dot]-rθ[dot]^2)r[hat]+(rθ[double dot]+2r[dot]θ[dot])θ[hat]

r[prime]=bke^kt

r[double prime]= bk^(2)e^kt

θ[prime]=c

I know that v · a/va = vacosθ/va = cosθ, but I am unsure what to do with this knowledge or where to go from here,

thanks guys
 
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Well, if the angle between the two vectors is a constant, then the time derivative of that angle should be constant, correct?

Also, be careful. Is it correct to say that the angle between the two vectors (cos\phi) is the same as the angle given to you ( \theta = ct).
 
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Ah I see, so I should basically show that (va)cos(theta)/va cancels out to leave cos(theta), the time derivative of which is constant, showing that my angle is constant?
 
Also, if the angle between my two vectors is not theta, would it be v, since that seems to point in the same direction?

EDIT: So I want to show that cosθ=va/va, and that this equals a constant, so is a constant
 
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Remember what a dot product is:
\vec{r_{1}}\cdot \vec{r_{2}} = x_{1}x_{2} + y_{1}y_{2} + z_{1}z_{2} = |r_{1}||r_{2}|cos \phi
You can either sum of the product of the components of the two vectors or multiply there magnitudes times the angle between the vectors. You can use the above equation to solve for \phi and see if it has any time dependence. I am not convinced that the angle between the velocity and acceleration vectors is \theta = ct. And if it were, \theta is not constant in time.
 
Koi9 said:
EDIT: So I want to show that cosθ=va/va, and that this equals a constant, so is a constant

Precisely.
 

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