Spivak's Calculus, p3: a = b implies a + c = b + c

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The discussion revolves around a conceptual question from Spivak's Calculus regarding the implications of the equality \( a = b \) and how it relates to the addition of a constant \( c \). Participants are examining the justification of a specific step in a proof and the necessary postulates required for rigorous reasoning.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to justify a step in a proof using existing postulates but identifies a missing postulate related to equality and addition. Other participants question the validity of certain algebraic manipulations and explore the implications of introducing a "pre-postulate" regarding self-equality.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering insights into the foundational aspects of the postulates. Some suggest that the original poster's reasoning may require additional clarification or assumptions, while others provide guidance on how to approach the proof more rigorously. There is no explicit consensus, but the discussion is progressing with various interpretations being explored.

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There is a noted concern about the lack of explicit postulates for adding the same number to both sides of an equation, which some participants feel is a critical aspect of the discussion. Additionally, the original poster expresses uncertainty about potential logical fallacies in their reasoning.

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Homework Statement



Not a specific exercise per se; just a question from reading the text. In working the proof shown at the bottom of page 4 (2nd edition), I realized that the step "If a + x = a,
then (-a) + (a + x) = (-a) + a" could not be justified by any of Postulates 1, 2, or 3. At this point, that is all we have to work with.

The missing postulate is: If a = b, then a + c = b + c.


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Postulate 1: If a, b, and c are any numbers, then a + (b + c) = (a + b) + c.
Postulate 2: If a is any number, then a + 0 = 0 + a = a.
Postulate 3: For every number a, there is a number -a such that a + (-a) = (-a) + a = 0.

Also, he assumes that given numbers a and b, a+b and ab exist.

The Attempt at a Solution



If a = b,
then a + 0 = b; (P2)
hence a + (c + (-c)) = b; (P3)
hence (a + c) + (-c) = b; (P1)
hence ((a + c) + (-c)) + c = b + c; ? At this point I believe I need the "missing postulate".
hence (a + c) + ((-c) + c) = b + c; (P1)
hence (a + c) + 0 = b + c; (P3)
hence a + c = b + c. (P2)

Any ideas on how to be rigorous here?

P.S. First post on this forum. :-) Can anyone clue me in on how to use TeX code? Thanks.
 
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1: a + x = a

2: (a + x) + (-a) = (a + (-a))

3: (a + (-a)) + x = (a + (-a))

4: x = 0

This is exactly what you wrote but you didn't recognise that (a + (-a)) is just another way of writing the number zero, as defined by postulate 3. You see how the brackets link two numbers at a time, i.e. in a binary sort of way? Well them two become 1 & represent 1 number. Also, in your attempted solution you made algebraic errors, of sorts. You did something to one side of the equation but left the other side untouched. I know you're able to do this but I don't think Spivak has allowed anything like that yet :-p

As for latex, you use these brackets [tex][/ tex] <--- but / tex should be /tex<br /> <br /> Also, there is a great firefox plugin I use https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4082/ that makes it 10 times easier <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":wink:" title="Wink :wink:" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=":wink:" />[/tex]
 
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Thanks for the reply!

What is bothering me is that Spivak doesn't give us a way to add the same number to both sides of an equality. I came up with the following way to do this, but it requires an additional "pre-postulate", that I call (P -1): If a is a number, then a = a.

Then:
If a, b, and c are numbers and a = b,
then (a + c) exists; (P0)
hence (a + c) = (a + c); (P -1)
hence a + c = a + c; (No postulate, but I'm okay accepting this)
hence a + c = b + c. (Supposition)

So, I'm happy given I get to use the postulate that a number equals itself. :-) Unless I'm making an obvious error, I can see why Spivak didn't think this important enough to make explicit.

I'm a little concerned that the last step makes it a fallacy of begging the question, but I don't think so. Maybe someone could comment about this.
 
Spivak does actually give you a way to do that when he is talking about P1.
Just remember that anything you do on one side of an equation must be done
on the other side in order to ensure the equality holds, i.e.
make sure "=" is a true statement.

In the 3rd edition, my one, Spivak says;

"For example, we know from P1 that


(a + b) + c = a + (b + c)

...

so you can see that if a = b then your proof will work fine.

chollapete said:
I came up with the following way to do this, but it requires an additional "pre-postulate", that I call (P -1): If a is a number, then a = a.

Then:
If a, b, and c are numbers and a = b,
then (a + c) exists; (P0)
hence (a + c) = (a + c); (P -1)
hence a + c = a + c; (No postulate, but I'm okay accepting this)
hence a + c = b + c. (Supposition)
hence (a + c) + (-c) = (b + c) + (-c)
hence a + (c + (-c)) = b + (c + (-c))
hence a + (0) = b + (0)
hence a = b

I've just added that little bit to show you can go further, but it's the right idea!
 

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