Splitting an infinite set into two equal infinite subsets.

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The discussion centers on the ability to partition an infinite set A into two disjoint subsets B and C such that A = B U C and |B| = |C| = |A|. Participants provide examples using integers and reals, demonstrating that such partitions are feasible for these sets. The conversation explores the necessity of the Axiom of Choice and transfinite induction in proving the existence of these partitions, particularly for infinite sets of larger cardinalities. Ultimately, the consensus is that any infinite set can be partitioned into disjoint subsets of equal cardinality.

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  • #31
why does it seem to me like this is verging on trying to make onto functions from a function onto it's powerset? even before mathboy mentioned the p(r)
 
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  • #32
P(A + B) and P(A) x P(B) are naturally bijective sets, right? So all you need to do is find sets A and B, and bijections

A + B ~ R
A ~ R
B ~ R

And voilà! You have a bijection P(R) ~ P(R) x P(R).
 
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  • #33
Bijection F:P(R) x P(R) -> P(R):

Start with two subsets S and T of R. Get the characteristic functions (chi_S, chi_T). Get the characteristic function f:R -> {0,1} defined by

f(x)= (chi_S)(lnx) if x>0, (chi_T)(ln(-x)) if x<0. (problems with x=0, so someone find a better bijection from Rx{1,2} to R)

From the characteristic function f, get your unique subset of R corresponding to f. This subset of R is our F(S,T),
i.e. F(S,T)= {x|f(x)=1}.

Given S from P(R), let
A_S = F(P(R)x{S}).

The collection {A_S| S in P(R)} is the desired partition of P(R). All the A_S are pairwise disjoint, |A_S|=|P(R)|, and P(R) = U (A_S) .

Can someone find a better bijection from Rx{1,2} to R ?
 
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  • #34
f:R->{0,1}

f(x)=
(chi_S)(ln(x+1)) if x is a non-negative integer
(chi_S)(lnx) if x>0 and not and integer,
(chi_T)(ln(-x)) if x<0.

Yuck. Can someone think of a better one?
 
  • #35
What's so yuck about it?

Anyways, observe the following: if you split the real line up into two or more intervals, at least one of them must be either a closed or a half-open interval. Such intervals cannot be homeomorphic to R.

Your method looks like one of the standard tricks for creating a point out of "thin air", so I don't see why it's so yucky.


Anyways, thinking about yours did lead me to a different, cute example: split the real line into half open intervals
... + [-2, -1) + [-1, 0) + [0, 1) + [1, 2) + [2, 3) + ...
then do your favorite rearrangement of Z into two copies of Z.
 
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