Spontaneous symmetry breaking: How can the vacuum be infinitly degener

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The discussion revolves around the concept of spontaneous symmetry breaking in quantum field theory, particularly focusing on the implications of having infinitely degenerate vacuum states. Participants explore the nature of these vacuums, the role of symmetry operators, and the structure of Hilbert spaces in this context.

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  • One participant questions how a separable Hilbert space can accommodate a continuum of distinct vacuum states if spontaneous symmetry breaking occurs.
  • Another participant provides an example using a finite system of spin 1/2 particles to illustrate spontaneous symmetry breaking, noting that as the number of particles approaches infinity, the ground state manifold becomes a continuous collection of degenerate states.
  • There is a suggestion that for finite systems, the definitions and structures are well-defined, contrasting with the complexities introduced in the infinite limit.
  • A participant asserts that the different vacua do not reside in the same Hilbert space, implying that the operator associated with the symmetry charge Q may not be well-defined in this context.
  • One participant mentions a specific type of Hilbert space called a direct integral, which may relate to the discussion of vacuum states.
  • Another participant agrees with the previous points and notes that in the infinite limit, there is no probability of tunneling between vacua, suggesting they exist separately.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of vacuum states and the implications of spontaneous symmetry breaking. While some points are agreed upon, such as the complexities introduced in the infinite limit, there is no consensus on the definitions and implications of the Hilbert space structure related to these vacua.

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The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the relationship between different vacuum states and the operators acting on them, particularly in the context of infinite systems. There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions and implications of these concepts.

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Spontaneous symmetry breaking: the vacuum be infinitly degenerate?

In classical field theories, it is with no difficulty to imagine a system to have a continuum of ground states, but how can this be in the quantum case?
Suppose a continuous symmetry with charge Q is spontaneously broken, that would means Q|0\rangle\ne 0, and hence the symmetry transformation transforms continuously |0\rangle into anther vacuum, but how can a separable Hilbert space have a continuum of vacuums deferent from each other?

I saw somewhere that says the quantum states are built upon one vacuum, and others simply doesn't belong to it, what does this mean? and then how could Q be a well defined operator which acting on a state (the vacuum) actually gives a state (another "vacuum") out of the space considered?
 
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To understand these statements it is best to start with a finite system. Thus consider a chain of N spin 1/2 particles. Take the Hamiltonian to be H = - J \sum_i \vec{S}_i \cdot \vec{S}_{i+1}.
The Hamiltonian is symmetric with respect to global spin rotations generated by \sum_i \vec{S}_i .
However, the ground state of the Hamiltonian spontaneously breaks this symmetry because the Hamiltonian favors all spins to point in the same direction. Indeed, the state
<br /> | \uparrow_1 ... \uparrow_N \rangle<br />
is an exact ground state as is
<br /> | \downarrow_1 ... \downarrow_N \rangle.<br />
In fact, the ground state subspace is the N+1 dimensional space of total spin N/2.

What can one say about this space? Well, for finite N it is finite dimensional, however, as N \rightarrow \infty it approaches a continuous collection of degenerate ground states. To show this, consider the coherent state labelled by spin direction \hat{n}. Then in the limit N \rightarrow \infty all the states
<br /> |\hat{n},N\rangle = \otimes_{i=1}^N |\hat{n}_i \rangle<br />
are orthogonal. Furthermore, for finite N the overlap between coherent states in different directions is exponentially small, i.e. goes like e^{-c N}.

Thus for physical systems consisting of a finite number of degrees spontaneous symmetry breaking, as defined in your original post, is an approximate asymptotic statement about the ground state manifold for large systems.

Note, however, that for any finite N everything is perfectly well defined and there are no subtleties about different spaces for different ground states, etc. This is why the finite N approach is in my opinion simpler and more physical.

Hope this helps.
 
youngurlee said:
Suppose a continuous symmetry with charge Q is spontaneously broken, that would means Q|0\rangle\ne 0, and hence the symmetry transformation transforms continuously |0\rangle into anther vacuum, but how can a separable Hilbert space have a continuum of vacuums deferent from each other?

I saw somewhere that says the quantum states are built upon one vacuum, and others simply doesn't belong to it, what does this mean? and then how could Q be a well defined operator which acting on a state (the vacuum) actually gives a state (another "vacuum") out of the space considered?

The point is exactly that these vacua don't live in the same Hilbert space and that the operator Q is not defined.
 
I believe this type of Hilbert Space is called a direct integral (as opposed to a direct sum)
 
Physics Monkey's answer is completely correct. In the infinite limit there is no probability of tunneling between vacua, so they live separately. This question is explained in Maggiore "Modern Introduction in QFT" in the chapter on SSB.
 
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