Spring/block on horizontal plane SHM

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to simple harmonic motion (SHM) involving a spring and block system on a horizontal plane. Participants are tasked with finding specific conditions related to kinetic and potential energy, as well as determining minimum displacements under certain energy conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand the implications of using negative time values in their calculations and expresses confusion regarding the second part of the problem, questioning the goal of finding minimum displacement. Other participants suggest that there are multiple points where the conditions can be met and propose methods for determining proximity between these points.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided feedback on the first part of the problem, indicating that the original poster's approach seems acceptable. The second part remains less clear, with ongoing exploration of how to set up equations for displacements and whether differentiation is applicable in this context. There is no explicit consensus, but various interpretations and methods are being discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of the problem's requirements, particularly regarding the interpretation of minimum displacement and the conditions under which kinetic and potential energy are equal. There is a noted uncertainty about the appropriateness of certain mathematical techniques in this context.

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Homework Statement


1. Find the speed and acceleration when the kinetic energy is equal to half the potential energy
2. Find the minimum displacement between the points where the kinetic energy and acceleration are at half their maximum values

Homework Equations


mv^2=.5kx^2

The Attempt at a Solution


My correct harmonic equations

x(t)=(√2/10)cos(10t+5∏/4)
v(t)=-(√2)sin(10t+5∏/4)
a(t)=-(10*√2)cos(10t+5∏/4)

Got down to for part 1:
arctan(√(1/2))=10t+5∏/4

All I want to know is if its acceptable to use the negative time value that comes from not shifting the output of the inverse tangent, to plug in for velocity and acceleration. Personally I don't see why not.

And for part 2...what the bloody heck are they asking? I suppose I could find the displacements for each of those points and see when they get closest...I don't understand the goal of such a method though.

If you want to see the whole problem I have attached it. Thank you for any help.
 

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for 1, seems fine to me.
For 2, yes, there will be an infinite set of points at which these conditions arise, but there'll be a minimum proximity. Probably something like pi*n*apha+beta and pi*n*alpha+gamma, and you just have to figure out how close such points can get.
 
So is there some way to set up an equation for those displacements, and use a derivative set to zero to find a minimum? Thats the idea I am having right meow anyways
 
physninj said:
So is there some way to set up an equation for those displacements, and use a derivative set to zero to find a minimum? Thats the idea I am having right meow anyways

No, you won't use differentiation. It's not minimum in a continuous function. It'll be like sin x = .5; x = π/6, 5π/6, 13π/6, ... Smallest difference = 4π/6.
 

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