How Does Friction Affect Spring Compression and Energy Loss?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of friction on the compression of a spring and the associated energy loss in a system involving a block and a spring. The original poster describes a scenario where a block compresses a spring on a frictionless surface, and then introduces friction to analyze its impact on maximum compression and thermal energy produced.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the application of the work-energy theorem, suggesting the need to set up an equation that incorporates kinetic energy, thermal energy, and potential energy of the spring. There is a focus on determining the unknown compression distance and evaluating the thermal energy produced by friction.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring different approaches to solve for the maximum compression of the spring under friction. Some have provided guidance on setting up equations, while others have shared their calculations and results, indicating a progression towards understanding the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraint of a specific coefficient of kinetic friction and are attempting to reconcile their calculations with the physical behavior of the system as the block comes to rest. There is an emphasis on understanding the implications of friction in the context of energy conservation.

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Homework Statement


A horizontal uncompressed spring of constant k= 3 N/m and negligible mass lies on a frictionless floor. The right end of the spring rests against a vertical wall. A block of mass m=0.180 kg with initial velocity v0= 1.0 m/s is incident to the spring from the left. The spring in compressed and the block comes momentarily to rest.

a. Calculate the maximum compression x of the spring. (Did this, x= 0.245m)
b. Determine the velocity v of the block when the spring compression x'= 0.150m (Did this, v= 0.790 m/s)

*****Here is where I'm stuck

The initially frictionless floor is now replaced by a floor that has a coeff. of kinetic friction mu= 0.11

c. Calculate the new maximum compression x'' of the spring when the block comes momentarily to rest.

d. Determine the amount Eth of thermal energy produced in part c by frictional force.

I think I know how to do part d once I get c, but I've been stuck on part c for some time now.

Homework Equations


Fd= (Delta Emec) + fkd

So, I know fk= 0.194
and deltaE= .09 ?

I'm not sure how to approach the problem, and its very important that I understand how to for my exam coming up friday. Any help is appreciated, thanks!
 
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Set up your work-energy theorem so that everything is in your system.

So:

0 = deltaKtrans + deltaThermal +deltaUspring

You only have one unknown, the 'x'(or distance) value in your deltaThermal and deltaSpring expression. Solve for that x and plug in your knowns.

Once you solve for x, plug it back into your deltaThermal expression and evaluate it.
 
Ok, so I get:

1.5x^2 + 0.194x + .09 =0

I end up have to take the sq root of a negative though, so I must be doing something wrong. -

sqrt(0.194^2 -4(1.5)(.09)) = -.502
 
remember the delta's are (final - initial) and the mass comes to a complete stop(i.e. it's final kinetic energy is zero)
 
Oh yeah! I got 0.188m and 0.0364J which I believe are the correct answers. Thank you!
 

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