Spring constant matrix and normal modes (4 springs and 3 masses)

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The discussion focuses on determining the normal modes of a system comprising four springs with stiffness values k1, k2, k3, and k4, and three masses m1, m2, and m3. The user aims to utilize direct matrix methods to construct the stiffness matrix K, defined by the elements Kij, which represent the equivalent spring stiffness when moving block j while analyzing block i's motion. The user encounters issues with obtaining only complex angular frequencies, indicating a potential error in the matrix formulation or determinant calculation. The suggestion is made to simplify the problem by testing the method on a more manageable arrangement to identify discrepancies in signs.

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We need to find the normal modes of this system:
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Well, this system is a little easy to deal when we put it in a system and solve the system... That's not what i want to do, i want to try my direct matrix methods.

We have springs with stiffness k1,k2,k3,k4 respectively, and block mass m1, m2, m3
And we need to annul the determinant of
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, not just, i supposed the displacement Z as complex, so we need real angular frequencies.

To mount the matrix K, we need to know all Kij, being Kij the spring stiffness equivalent if we move just block j and analyze the motion of block i, j can be equal i.

So making all the things, we end with:

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Apparently this is wrong, i found just complex w, what is the problem?
 

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Try the same method on a much simpler arrangement, one you can easily check from first principles. Note where the signs disagree.
 
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haruspex said:
Try the same method on a much simpler arrangement, one you can easily check from first principles. Note where the signs disagree.
Yeh that's enough... thank
 

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