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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a glider attached to a spring on a frictionless air track. The problem requires calculating the speed of the glider at different points as it compresses and extends the spring, focusing on energy conservation principles.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between potential and kinetic energy, questioning the conditions under which the spring exerts force. They explore the correct interpretation of energy conservation in the context of the glider's motion.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, checking calculations and clarifying concepts related to energy conservation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct setup of energy equations, and there is ongoing exploration of the implications of initial and final energy states.

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There is some confusion regarding the interpretation of distances from the equilibrium point and the initial conditions of the system. Participants are also addressing arithmetic errors in their calculations.

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A glider of mass 0.150 kg moves on a horizontal frictionless air track. It is permanently attached to one end of a massless horizontal spring, which has a force constant of 9.0 N/m both for extension and for compression. The other end of the spring is fixed. The glider is moved to compress the spring by 0.180 m and then released from rest.

(a) Calculate the speed of the glider at the point where it has moved 0.180 m from its starting point, so that the spring is momentarily exerting no force.

So potential = kinetic energy
1/2kx^2=1/2mv^2
v^2=kx^2/m
v^2=(9)(.18^2)/.15
v=1.39

(b) Calculate the speed of the glider at the point where it has moved 0.250 m from its starting point.

Here x=.07 because isn't x the distance from the equilibrium point, which is at .18? If so, use the same equation

1/2kx^2=1/2mv^2
v^2=(9)(.07^2)/.15
v=.542 m/s

Thanks for checking
 
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a - it is given the question itself that it is mommentarily at rest.
 
Jacob87411 said:
(a) Calculate the speed of the glider at the point where it has moved 0.180 m from its starting point, so that the spring is momentarily exerting no force.

So potential = kinetic energy
1/2kx^2=1/2mv^2
v^2=kx^2/m
v^2=(9)(.18^2)/.15
v=1.39
This is correct (but don't leave off the units). Note that the total energy at the point in question is purely KE; the elastic PE is zero at that point. Initial total energy = final total energy.

(b) Calculate the speed of the glider at the point where it has moved 0.250 m from its starting point.

Here x=.07 because isn't x the distance from the equilibrium point, which is at .18? If so, use the same equation

1/2kx^2=1/2mv^2
v^2=(9)(.07^2)/.15
v=.542 m/s
Careful! "PE = KE" is not true in general. What is true is "initial total energy = final total energy". Set the total initial energy (which is the same as in part (a)) equal to the sum of PE + KE at the point in question.
 
Sorry - I am really frustrated with the misreadings I make.
 
So in part b:
Initial = Final energy
Initial = 1/2mv^2 = .5 * .15 * 1.39^2 = .1449 J
Final = KE + PE
KE=1/2 * .015 * v^2
PE=1/2kx^2=.5*9*.07^2

Is that the right set up?
 
Initially KE = 0 and there is only PE. The object is at rest initially.
 
Oh so PE=1/2kx^2=.5*9*.18^2?
 
Jacob87411 said:
Oh so PE=1/2kx^2=.5*9*.18^2?
Right. That's the initial PE (from the starting point point where it was released); since it was released from rest, that's also the total energy.
 
Alright, so I did it out..

Initial Energy=Final Energy
Initial energy is stated above
Final Energy=KE+PE=
.5*9*.18^2 = (.5*.015*V^2)+(.5*9*.07^2)

Solving for V gives V=4.06 m/s?
 
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Jacob87411 said:
Alright, so I did it out..

Initial Energy=Final Energy
Initial energy is stated above
Final Energy=KE+PE=
.5*9*.18^2 = (.5*.015*V^2)+(.5*9*.07^2)

Solving for V gives V=4.06 m/s?
Better check your arithmetic since the velocity you solved for in part (a) was the maximum possible (all of the energy was KE in that case). :wink:
 
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Ah whoops... .15 not .015...so 1.284 m/s...Thanks
 

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