Spring Question Elastic Potential and Kinetic Energy

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The discussion revolves around a spring problem involving elastic potential energy and kinetic energy. The original poster presents a scenario where a spring is compressed by a box on a frictionless surface, and several questions are posed regarding the forces, work done, energy stored, and the maximum speed of the box upon release.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the force required to compress the spring, the work done on it, the elastic potential energy stored, and the maximum speed of the box. Some participants confirm the calculations and discuss the conservation of energy principle, questioning whether the energy transitions from potential to kinetic as the spring returns to equilibrium.

Discussion Status

Participants have provided affirmations regarding the correctness of the original poster's calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between elastic potential energy and kinetic energy, particularly at the point of equilibrium. The discussion reflects a productive exchange of ideas without reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption of a closed system without friction, which is critical to their discussions on energy conservation. The original poster expresses uncertainty about their understanding of energy transformations in the system.

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Homework Statement



Hi forum. I have a spring type question for anyone willing to help!
k = 225N/m
m = 1.5kg
x = 12.0cm
Friction is not a variable

A spring (with a force constant of 225N/m) is resting on a horizontal(frictionless) surface and is mounted on a wall. A 1.5kg box is pushed against the spring compressing it 12.0cm from equilibrium. When released, the spring pushes the box.

a)how much force must be exerted on the spring to compress it 12.0 cm?
b)how much work is done on the spring to compress it 12.0 cm?
c)how much elastic potential energy is stored in the spring it is compressed?
d) Once released, what maximum speed will the box attain?

**I think I got parts a)b)c) if someone wanted to check it anyway though that'd be really cool, but I definitely need help with part d)

Homework Equations



a)F = kx
b)W = (1/2)kx^2

The Attempt at a Solution



here are my answers:

a)F = 27 N
b)E¬e = 1.62 J
c) same as b)
d)We know that maximum speed occurs when Ek is at a maximum and therefore Ee is at a minimum. This point occurs where the spring naturally rests. Therefore, since the spring is compressed 0.120 meters, this point occurs 0.120 meters away upon being released.

Einitial = Efinal
Ee initial = Ek final
1.62 J = (1/2)mv^2
1.62 J = (1/2)(1.5kg)v^2
1.62 J = (0.75kg)v^2
v^2 = (1.62 J)/(0.75kg)
v^2 = (1.62 J)/(0.75kg)
v^2 = 2.16m^2/s^2
v = 1.469693846
After rounding:
v = 1.5m/s
Therefore, the speed of the 1.5kg box as it passes the point 12.0cm or 0.120m from its point of compression will be 1.5m/s

**Is this right^?

Also.. If I wanted to show:
Ee initial +Ek initial = Ee final + Ek final
is this right:
[(1/2)(225N/m)(0.120m)^2][(1/2)(1.5kg)(0)^2] = [(1/2)(225N/m)(0)^2][(1/2)(1.5kg)(v)^2]

Thanks so much in advance to whoever can help me!
 
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You got it! The block has its maximum velocity when all of its potential energy has been converted into kinetic energy. That is to say that
##
\frac{1}{2}kx^2=\frac{1}{2}mv^2
##.
Your answers look right to me. You also wanted to know if ##E_{elastic}+E_{kinetic}## changes. This is the total energy of this system, and if the system is closed, such that there is no friction or outside tampering, it must always be the same at any point in time. That is the law of conservation of energy.
 
Your answers look right to me. You also wanted to know if Eelastic+Ekinetic changes. This is the total energy of this system, and if the system is closed, such that there is no friction or outside tampering, it must always be the same at any point in time. That is the law of conservation of energy.

so does this mean that as the spring passes equilibrium with a speed of 1.5m/s, all of its energy is in the form of kinetic energy at 1.62 J?
Since we started with 1.62 J of solely Elastic potential energy

Thanks so much for your help :D
 
chubbyorphan said:
so does this mean that as the spring passes equilibrium with a speed of 1.5m/s, all of its energy is in the form of kinetic energy at 1.62 J?

Yeah, you got it. :smile:
 

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