Square Pyramid Gauss's Law Trouble

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The problem involves calculating the total electric flux through the slanted surfaces of a square pyramid placed in a vertical electric field. The pyramid has a square base measuring 6.00 m on each side and a height of 4.00 m, with the electric field strength given as 52.0 N/C.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the electric flux using both a direct method involving the base area and an alternative method focusing on the slanted surfaces. They express confusion regarding the calculation of the angle between the electric field and the normal vector to the slanted surfaces.
  • Some participants question the accuracy of the angle calculations related to the geometry of the pyramid, specifically the angles derived from the 3-4-5 triangle.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the geometry involved and questioning the assumptions made about the angles. There is no explicit consensus yet, but participants are engaging with the problem and providing feedback on each other's reasoning.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating potential errors in angle calculations and the implications for the electric flux computation. The original poster has indicated a preference for a more complex method of calculation, which may be contributing to their confusion.

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Homework Statement



A pyramid with horizontal square base, 6.00 m on each side, and a height of 4.00 m is placed in a vertical electric field of 52.0 N/C. Calculate the total electric flux through the pyramid's slanted surfaces.


Homework Equations



Electric Flux = E dot dA


The Attempt at a Solution



I realize there is an easy way to do it, calculate the area of the base * E field and then set a correct sign, got that.

Now, I should be able to calculate this the harder but just as appropriate way. Find the area of the slanted surfaces, find the vector dA by finding the normal angle to the surface compared to the E-field. Then compute cos (theta) * A * E * 4, the 4 is because there are 4 slanted surfaces total. This is where I go crazy apparently.

Find the area of the slanted surface:

A = 0.5 * base * height (lateral surface height, not pyramid height)

Base = 6.00 m

Make a right triangle from the center of the base out perpendicular to the side of the square base, this leg has length 3.00 m. Then start at the center of the square base and make the other leg go up to the top point vertice, this has length 4.00 m.

You have a 3-4-5 triangle, so the lateral height is 5.00 m

A = 0.5 * 6.00 m * 5.00 m = 15.0 m^2


Now make a vector normal to that triangular lateral surface with magnitude A.

This vector has an angle (theta) with respect to the E field. We find that angle by noticing that a 3-4-5 triangle has angles of 60 degrees at the 3-5 junction and 30 at the 4-5 junction. We want the 3-5 junction so (theta) = 60 degrees.


Computing:

4*E dot dA = 4* EA cos (theta) = 4* EA cos 60 = 4* EA * 0.5 = 2* E * 15 m^2 = E * 30 m^2


Easy Method: -(E dot dA) = -E -(area of base) cos (0)= E * (area of base) = E * 36 m^2




I'm stumped.
 
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Maybe a picture will help.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/32/Mathematical_Pyramid.svg/480px-Mathematical_Pyramid.svg.png

In this picture, the a = the h (that I designated as the height of the triangular face).
 
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Prologue said:
This vector has an angle (theta) with respect to the E field. We find that angle by noticing that a 3-4-5 triangle has angles of 60 degrees at the 3-5 junction and 30 at the 4-5 junction. We want the 3-5 junction so (theta) = 60 degrees.

I didn't read all that, but this part's in error. The angles aren't 30 and 60.
 
Phrak said:
I didn't read all that, but this part's in error. The angles aren't 30 and 60.

Wow rote fails me again, thanks for pointing it out.
 

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