Understanding Srednicki's 7.14-7.16 Equations: G(t-t') and the RHS of f(t)

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The discussion revolves around the equations presented in Srednicki's text, specifically focusing on the integral involving the Green's function G(t-t') and its relationship to the functional derivative of f(t). Participants are attempting to clarify the implications of these equations and their transitions, particularly in the context of equations 7.14 to 7.16.

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  • Participants are questioning the correctness of the original equation provided and its implications. There are discussions about the transition between the first and second lines of equation 7.16, with some participants expressing confusion about the functional derivative and its application. Others are exploring whether certain terms can be simplified or equated.

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\intdt' G(t-t') f(t') = 1/i \delta/\deltaf(t)

where G(t-t') = i/ 2w exp (iw (t-t'))

I thought the RHS of the first equation is f(t). Can someone explain?

thank you
 
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koolmodee said:
\intdt' G(t-t') f(t') = 1/i \delta/\deltaf(t)
This doesn't make sense, and I'm not sure where you got it. Something like it that is correct and that is used to get the 2nd line of (7.16) is

{1\over i}{\delta\over\delta f(t_1)}\left[{i\over2}\int dt\,dt'\,f(t)G(t-t')f(t')\right] = \int dt'\,G(t_1 -t')f(t').
 
Well, I thought what I write was implied in the equations in the Srednicki book.

But then I don't see how we get from the first line two the second in 7.16. with your equation.

Is the term in the brackets equal to one? And you mean t_2 instead of t_1, right?
 
koolmodee said:
Well, I thought what I write was implied in the equations in the Srednicki book.

What you wrote does not make sense. The functional derivative on your right-hand is not acting on anything.

koolmodee said:
But then I don't see how we get from the first line two the second in 7.16. with your equation.

Let

Z(f)=\langle 0|0\rangle_f

From 7.11,

Z(f)=\exp K(f)

where

K(f)={i\over 2}\int dt\,dt'\,f(t)G(t-t')f(t')

By the chain rule,

{\delta\over\delta f(t_2)}Z(f)={dZ\over dK}\;{\delta\over\delta f(t_2)}K(f)

and since Z=\exp K, dZ/dK = \exp K = Z. Now we use

{1\over i}\,{\delta K(f)\over\delta f(t_2)}=<br /> {1\over i}\,{i\over 2}\int dt\,dt&#039;\left[\left({\delta f(t)\over\delta f(t_2)}\right)G(t-t&#039;)f(t&#039;)+f(t)G(t-t&#039;)\left({\delta f(t&#039;)\over\delta f(t_2)}\right)\right]

{}\qquad\qquad={1\over 2}\int dt\,dt&#039;\Bigl[\delta(t-t_2)G(t-t&#039;)f(t&#039;)+f(t)G(t-t&#039;)\delta(t&#039;-t_2)\Bigr]

{}={1\over 2}\int dt&#039;\,G(t_2-t&#039;)f(t&#039;)+{1\over 2}\int dt\,f(t)G(t-t_2)

{}=\int dt&#039;\,G(t_2-t&#039;)f(t&#039;)

where, to get the last line, we use G(t-t_2)=G(t_2-t), and change the dummy integration variable in the 2nd term from t to t&#039;, so that it is then the same as the first term.
 
thank you!
 

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