News Stability of Anarchy: Let's Continue Here, Smurf

[oldunion]

I was thinking about this. Firstly, let's recognize that if my prediction comes true it will not end there and such a society will of course have to end eventually. It's worthy of considering wether true AI would be necessarily have already been developed at such a time - so it would be necessary to take active measures to keep them pre-consious. Also, a single droid gaining artificial intelligence/conciousness would not bring down the fall of the entire society. The Athenians took intelligent humans as slaves, why not intelligent robots? It would be some time before we considered them as being "alive" and not a commodity, if ever.

They would also have to develope a (widespread) sense of unity with other droids before they could form any sort of resistance as well.

Its not so far fetched a concept. Look at black culture. Usually when i see black people hanging out, there are a lot of them. They understand that as a race they don't have time to hate each other because discrimination is so widespread; they need strength in numbers.

So if a cyborg understood the concepts of slavery, freedom, self-betterment through philosophical self-reflection then being a cyborg who handles tasks against his "will" all day may just find reason to stand in defiance. Who do you think he would relate to more, his cyborg comrades or his human masters? I don't support AI at all.

 

[ron damon]

They understand that as a race they don't have time to hate each other because discrimination is so widespread

there is no such thing as race

 

[selfAdjoint]

there is no such thing as race

Stop right there. This thread is not about that much contended issue and there is no reason for it to go there.

 

[loseyourname]

Its not so far fetched a concept. Look at black culture. Usually when i see black people hanging out, there are a lot of them. They understand that as a race they don't have time to hate each other because discrimination is so widespread; they need strength in numbers.

Are you kidding me? Black on black crime, especially the mistreatment of black women and children by black men, is one of this country's major problems today.

So if a cyborg understood the concepts of slavery, freedom, self-betterment through philosophical self-reflection then being a cyborg who handles tasks against his "will" all day may just find reason to stand in defiance. Who do you think he would relate to more, his cyborg comrades or his human masters? I don't support AI at all.

Why are we anthropomorphising our AI again? Humans have such things as desire for freedom and in-group solidarity because we evolved that way. AI will only have a human psychology if we program them that way. You don't see too many worker bees complaining, do you? Give AI some form of mental template equivalent to that: complete loyalty and single-mindedness of purpose. Being intelligent or even self-aware does not entail having a sense of individuality or even free-will, especially when one is created rather than evolved.

 

[Smurf]

Being intelligent or even self-aware does not entail having a sense of individuality or even free-will, especially when one is created rather than evolved.

I agree. Intelligence and ability to learn does not mean desire for individuality, freedom or anything else. I think all this fiction about AI (Bicentanial man, "AI", Matrix, ect.) where an artificially created being suddenly desires human-like traits are overly shallow. Something that I think springs from our self-glorification that anything "human" must be "good" as well.

 

[oldunion]

Are you kidding me? Black on black crime, especially the mistreatment of black women and children by black men, is one of this country's major problems today.



Why are we anthropomorphising our AI again? Humans have such things as desire for freedom and in-group solidarity because we evolved that way. AI will only have a human psychology if we program them that way. You don't see too many worker bees complaining, do you? Give AI some form of mental template equivalent to that: complete loyalty and single-mindedness of purpose. Being intelligent or even self-aware does not entail having a sense of individuality or even free-will, especially when one is created rather than evolved.

Its a thin line to walk. Would you trust humanity to programmers? what about software bugs. don't be surprised if i go around sabotaging ai plants if this actually happens.