Standard Conditions and Molar Enthelpy Changes

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The discussion centers on the relevance of "standard conditions" in defining various molar enthalpy changes, including atomization enthalpy, formation enthalpy, and combustion enthalpy. Participants agree that standard conditions apply to most quantities except for atomization enthalpy, ionization energy, electron affinity, and bond energy. The conversation highlights the necessity of extrapolating enthalpy values to standard conditions for comparability, with Hess's law being a key tool in this process. The impact of temperature and pressure on these quantities is also acknowledged, emphasizing their dependence on specific conditions.

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The following is a list of various quantities (molar enthalpy changes) found in a typical Chemistry course:

  • Atomization Enthalpy
  • Formation Enthalpy
  • Combustion Enthalpy
  • Neutralization Enthalpy
  • Solution Enthalpy
  • Hydration Enthalpy
  • Ionization Energy
  • Electron Affinity
  • Lattice Energy
  • Bond Energy (and mean bond energy)
  • Lattice Dissociation Enthalpy
  • Reaction Enthalpy
For which of the aforementioned quantities is it meaningful to include "standard conditions" as a part of the quantity's definition?
 
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This is a pretty good homework question if you ask me. Moving it.

Whether it is HW or not - what are your thoughts?
 
Borek said:
This is a pretty good homework question if you ask me. Moving it.

Whether it is HW or not - what are your thoughts?

It's not homework actually.
Well, I think standard conditions are applicable to all of the above quantities except atomization enthalpy, ionization energy, electron affinity, and bond energy. Is that correct? Frankly, I still have trouble imagining how we can extrapolate other molar enthalpy values to standard conditions. Anyway, is my answer correct?
 
Borek said:
This is a pretty good homework question if you ask me. Moving it.

Whether it is HW or not - what are your thoughts?
MohammedRady97 said:
It's not homework actually.
Well, I think standard conditions are applicable to all of the above quantities except atomization enthalpy, ionization energy, electron affinity, and bond energy. Is that correct? Frankly, I still have trouble imagining how we can extrapolate other molar enthalpy values to standard conditions. Anyway, is my answer correct?

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In general, if we want enthalpies of a process to be comparable, we have to somehow extrapolate them - if not to standard, then at least to identical conditions.

You can always use Hess law for that.
 
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Borek said:
In general, if we want enthalpies of a process to be comparable, we have to somehow extrapolate them - if not to standard, then at least to identical conditions.

You can always use Hess law for that.

What about the first question?
 
Doesn't "comparability" answer it?

Really, a lot depends on what you are aiming at, so the answer is "it depends".
 
Borek said:
Doesn't "comparability" answer it?

Really, a lot depends on what you are aiming at, so the answer is "it depends".

So, for instance, would ionization energy at 298 K and 101 kPa differ from ionization energy at some other pressure and temperature?
 
As far as I can tell, as long as the temperature is low enough for the molecules to be in the ground state - it shouldn't.

But I am not convinced measuring ionization energies of non-volatile elements can be done at low temperatures, so it can be a practical problem.
 
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As far as I can tell, as long as the temperature is low enough for the molecules to be in the ground state - it shouldn't.

But I am not convinced measuring ionization energies of non-volatile elements can be done at low temperatures, so it can be a practical problem.

So is it correct to say that all of the quantities above depend on temperature and pressure to varying extents (however small)?
 

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