Standards and guidelines (DIN, ISO, ANSI etc.)

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The discussion revolves around the nature of standards and codes in the context of building a car, specifically addressing the distinction between mandatory regulations and optional guidelines. Participants explore the implications of following these standards and the role of governmental bodies in enforcing them.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether standards are obligatory for building a car, noting a contradiction between the professor's statement that standards are optional and the apparent necessity of following them.
  • Another participant humorously suggests a preference for a car without brakes, prompting a light-hearted response about the seriousness of the topic.
  • A participant emphasizes the difference between standards and codes, stating that standards are guidelines while codes are enforceable laws, with some codes adopting standards.
  • Clarifications are provided regarding the definitions of standards and codes, indicating that a code is a standard adopted by governmental bodies and enforceable by law.
  • There is a discussion about the optional nature of standards, with one participant noting that while not following them may not lead to legal consequences, it could impact professional reputation.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of being part of alliances like the EU and whether EU codes must be followed, with some uncertainty expressed about the adoption of these codes in different countries.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of standards and codes, with some asserting that standards are optional while others highlight their importance in practice. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of international codes and standards.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in understanding the adoption of codes in different jurisdictions, particularly concerning the EU, and the potential for local codes to impose additional requirements beyond published standards.

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Lets say I want to build a car. There are national and international standards regarding quality and specifications what I should follow, which say,for example, that I have to have brakes in my car.
So logically I suppose it is obligatory to follow standard and without it they wouldn't let me build this car for clients. But is it so?

Remember from lectures professor saying that standards are optional...but it doesn't make sense then...
Can someone clarify me who provides must-follow rules, and who provides optional guidelines ?
 
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Personally I would prefer car without breaks.
 
Borek said:
Personally I would prefer car without breaks.
Haha, let's make fun of a mistake ... any useful comments?
 
Have you researched your problem?
How about using common sense? (think EPA and volkswagen for a concrete example)
 
It's standards and codes, not standards and guidelines. Standards are guidelines. Codes are the law. Note however that sometimes code agencies adopt standards as their codes.
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For example, here is a list of New Jersey's adopted codes:
http://www.state.nj.us/dca/divisions/codes/codreg/#1

At least one, ASHRAE 90.1, is a standard adopted as a code.

...Hmm...NFPA's website doesn't say it that way, but I'm not sure I've ever heard of a code not being the law:
  • A code is a model, a set of rules that knowledgeable people recommend for others to follow. It is not a law, but can be adopted into law.
  • A standard tends be a more detailed elaboration, the nuts and bolts of meeting a code.
http://www.nfpa.org/press-room/reporters-guide-to-fire-and-nfpa/about-codes-and-standards

Considering that the laws of the US are titled "The US Code", that seems incongruous...
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The world makes sense again:
  1. Definition of a Standard
A standard consists of technical definitions and guidelines that function as instructions for designers/manufacturers and operators/users of equipment...
  1. Definition of a Code
A code is a standard that has been adopted by one or more governmental bodies and is enforceable by law.
http://www.cstools.org/WritingGuide...and_Standards_-_Definitions_&_Requirments.htm
 
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JorisL said:
Have you researched your problem?
How about using common sense? (think EPA and volkswagen for a concrete example)
Nice explanation! You should be a teacher! :D

russ_watters said:
It's standards and codes, not standards and guidelines. Standards are guidelines. Codes are the law. Note however that sometimes code agencies adopt standards as their codes.
Thanks!
But the rest is correct, right? ...1) standards are in general optional -> nice-to-have 2) all the laws give government regarding must-have technical requirements
Code agencies - you mean government and/or its institutions? What happens for example if a country is in alliance for example EU ... it automatically means that EU codes must be followed?
 
Marcis Rancans said:
1) standards are in general optional -> nice-to-have
Yes, optional in the sense that you won't get arrested/fined for not following them. But you might get fired because the standards are what has been accepted as good practice.
2) all the laws give government regarding must-have technical requirements
Code agencies - you mean government and/or its institutions? What happens for example if a country is in alliance for example EU ... it automatically means that EU codes must be followed?
Yes, code agencies are government institutions. But being in the US, I'm not sure about EU codes. There is a unified set, but I'm not sure about their adoption. More info can be found on it here though: http://www.eurocodes-online.com/en_US/en/about-the-eurocodes/legal-situation-per-country.html

In addition, most localities have their own additional codes and a legal provision that basically says the code enforcer can demand whatever s/he wants above and beyond the published codes.
 
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Thank you, russ_watters!
 

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