Statement about Forbidden Alpha decay transitions.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the changes in spin and parity during alpha decay transitions, specifically focusing on the implications of the angular momentum coupling between the parent and daughter nuclei. Participants explore the conditions under which these changes occur and the possible values for the final state of the daughter nucleus based on the initial state of the parent nucleus and the orbital angular momentum of the emitted alpha particle.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the statement regarding the change in spin and parity during alpha decay, questioning the meaning of "can change by" in the context of angular momentum coupling.
  • Another participant asserts that if the initial spin state is 0^+, the only solution for the final spin state is -l, suggesting a specific constraint on the values of I_f.
  • A further example is provided by a participant considering an initial state of 1^+ and an alpha particle with l = 2, exploring the possible final states for the daughter nucleus based on different values of I_f.
  • Participants discuss the implications of the coupling of angular momentum and the range of possible values for the final state, indicating that multiple final states could exist depending on the initial conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is some agreement on the constraints imposed by angular momentum coupling, but the discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretation of the initial conditions and the implications for the final states of the daughter nucleus.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of angular momentum coupling and the potential for multiple interpretations based on initial conditions, which may lead to different conclusions about the allowed final states.

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Hi, I'm confused about a statement about the change in final/initial states of the daughter/parent atom in an alpha decay. It is the following;

"The spin between the parent (I_i) and daughter (I_f) can change by lh (h being h-bar, l is the orbital angular quantum number of the alpha particle), where;

\vec{I_i} = \vec{I_f} + \vec{l}

and the parity changes by (-1)^l
"

I'm confused because if, for example, we take the initial state of the parent to be 0^+, then there are the following cases;

\vec{I_i} = \vec{I_f} + \vec{l} means

|\vec{I_i}| = |\vec{I_f} + \vec{l}|

Coupling angular momentum together would surely mean that the total orbital quantum number would be of multiple values;

L = I_f + l, I_f + l - 1, I_f + l - 2, ... I_f - l

So if I_i = 0^+ we could have multiple I_f for a given l. For example l = 1, then

L = I_f + 1, I_f , I_f - 1 = I_i = 0

Meaning I_f could take on values 0 or 1. My notes seem to suggest only the I_f = 1 state is possible. Am I looking at this in completely the wrong way? I think I don't fully understand what it means by "can change by lh", what is the signficance of the "can" change?

I looked on the internet and in my textbook, not much to a detail that I can understand. Beta decay forbidden decays seemed to be the closest I could find which might explain it but I don't know how applicable it is to this situation.
 
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##I_i=0## gives ##|\vec{I_f}+\vec{l}|=0##, which has the solution ##\vec{I_f}=-\vec{l}## only.
 
mfb said:
##I_i=0## gives ##|\vec{I_f}+\vec{l}|=0##, which has the solution ##\vec{I_f}=-\vec{l}## only.

Ah yes clearly. I should've realized that. Here's a better example which might help me understand it for general l and I_f.

Say the initial state was I_i = 1^+. We must have the coupled orbital angular momentum quantum number L equal to 1. Then say the alpha particle had l = 2

The coupled orbital angular momentum quantum number of

\vec{I_i} = \vec{I_f} + \vec{l}

Would be

L = I_f + l, |I_f + l - 1|, |I_f + l - 2|, ... |I_f - l|

So if we had I_f = 3

L = 5,4,3,2,1

Corresponding to a possibility to have L = 1

If we had I_f = 2

L = 4,3,2,1,0

Corresponding to another possibility to have L = 1

And lastly; If we had I_f = 1

L = 3,2,1

Corresponding to another possibility to have L = 1So in a transition from a state 1^+ with the emission of an alpha with l = 2, it's possible to have 3 final states for the daughter (3^-, 2^-, 1^-)? Is this correct?
 
Looks correct.

##|l-I_i| \leq I_f \leq |I+I_i|##
 

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