States of Matter That Aren't Fluids

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around identifying states of matter, particularly those that are not considered fluids. Participants explore various known states of matter, including exotic forms, and express curiosity about their properties and behaviors.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about states of matter aside from solids that are not classified as fluids.
  • Several states of matter are mentioned, including solids, liquids, gases, plasmas, quark-gluon plasma, and Bose-Einstein condensate.
  • There is a discussion about plasma behaving like a fluid, with references to the behavior of solids under certain conditions, such as the Earth's crust acting like a viscous fluid over long time scales.
  • One participant emphasizes the interest in states of matter that typically do not exhibit fluid behavior, rather than those that do under extreme conditions.
  • Participants express a desire to learn more about Bose-Einstein condensate and its properties.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the existence of various states of matter but express differing views on the classification of certain states as fluids, particularly in the context of solids and their behavior over different scales and time periods. The discussion remains unresolved regarding which states can definitively be categorized as non-fluids.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the classification of states of matter may depend on specific conditions and definitions, and there is an acknowledgment of extreme examples that may not represent typical behavior.

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Aside from solids, are any of the known states of matter (exotic or otherwise) considered to not be fluids?
As a side note, I'd like to appologize in advance if this turns out to be posted under the wrong category of physics, I could not tell which category this would fall under and this seemed like the most accurate.
 
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ScientificMind said:
Aside from solids, are any of the known states of matter (exotic or otherwise) considered to not be fluids?

what other states of matter are you aware/familiar of/with ?
how about listing them here and then maybe doing some searching on the definitions of each :smile:

D
 
davenn said:
what other states of matter are you aware/familiar of/with ?
how about listing them here and then maybe doing some searching on the definitions of each :smile:

D
I currently know of solids, liquids, gasses, plasmas, and quark-gluon plasma. I have used Google in the past to find out about plasma however, and found that it seems to behave as a fluid.
 
ScientificMind said:
I have used Google in the past to find out about plasma however, and found that it seems to behave as a fluid.

yes and even solids can also do that
consider the earth, solid rock and appears that way on a small scale. But on a much larger scale, that of continent sized proportions
it can behave like a very viscous fluid ( and I'm not referring to the hot mantle or to lava)Dave
 
ScientificMind said:
I currently know of solids, liquids, gasses, plasmas, and quark-gluon plasma. I have used Google in the past to find out about plasma however, and found that it seems to behave as a fluid.
Add Bose-Einstein condensate to the cold end of that list.
 
davenn said:
yes and even solids can also do that
consider the earth, solid rock and appears that way on a small scale. But on a much larger scale, that of continent sized proportions
it can behave like a very viscous fluid ( and I'm not referring to the hot mantle or to lava)

Dave
Yes, I am aware that on a large scale and over long periods of time, the Earth's crust seems to behave almost as a fluid, but to my understanding, that phenomenon, like the liquid used in the Pitch Drop Experiment, this is an example of extreme situations rather than the norm. I was wondering more about states in which the norm is to not be fluid rather than in primarily just in extreme or rare examples.
mrspeedybob said:
Add Bose-Einstein condensate to the cold end of that list.
Thank you, I did not know about that one. It will be very interesting to find out more about Bose-Einstein condensate.
 

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