Static structural ansys, rigid body boundary condition

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around simulating a static structural test for a bus seat using ANSYS software. Participants explore boundary conditions, modeling approaches, and error messages encountered during the simulation process.

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Main Points Raised

  • A user seeks advice on how to apply force to rigid bars in a simulation of a bus seat, noting the seat's flexible behavior.
  • One participant suggests assigning a very large but finite stiffness to the bars instead of modeling them as perfectly rigid.
  • The original poster expresses interest in applying force directly to the seat back instead of the bars and questions if the results would be the same.
  • Another participant indicates that the results would be equivalent only if the same force could be applied, but notes the challenge of knowing that force beforehand.
  • The original poster reports encountering an error during simulation and seeks clarification on the error message related to using the push bar as a rigid body.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to model the rigid bars or the implications of applying force directly to the seat back. The discussion includes differing opinions on the feasibility of modeling techniques and the challenges of simulation errors.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the assumption of rigid behavior for the bars and the uncertainty surrounding the force that would act between the bars and the seat. The error message encountered by the original poster remains unresolved.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for users of ANSYS software, particularly those involved in structural simulations and modeling of flexible and rigid components.

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hi guys, i am new user on ansys
i have task from my lecturer. it is about static test for seat bus. i try simulate the seat bus on ansys statistical structural. you can see my model on attachment (untitle1.png).
at that picture, there are 2 bars will push the seat back. the stiffness beahvior of that bars is rigid. and the seat bus is flexible.
for the boundary condition : (you can see on the attachment picture, untitle5.png)
1. fix support on the floorpan
2. force on the bars

the problem :
i can't give force to that bars (rigid), can you give me some advice how to give force to that bars or ,the alternatif solution, how to give force to that seat back without that bars?

thanks
 

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All real material bodies have finite flexibility, so there really does not seem to be any point to knocking yourself out to model that which cannot exist. Instead, why not assign these elements some very large, but finite, stiffness?
 
wow, never thought about it, to give large stiffness to the push bar. thank you very much
but what if i change the bar and then give force directly to the seat back. will the result same?
 
It would be the same if you could apply the same force that acts between the very stiff support and the seat. The problem is, you cannot know that force a priori. Stick with the very stiff back brace.
 
hmmm, oke thanks
i already did the simulation, with rigid behavior, and i got an eror, idk why, i will show you the eror message latter, hope you can tell me why eror occurred.
but i will try your suggestion, hope the simulation will not eror.
thanks sir :)
 
sir, when i use the push bar as rigid body, i got this message as an eror
anyone can tell me, why i got this message?
 

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