Statics Question (Using Modulus of Rigidity)

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The discussion revolves around a statics problem involving the calculation of horizontal displacement at a specific point due to an applied force. Participants explore the application of shear stress, shear strain, and the modulus of rigidity in their calculations, while addressing uncertainties regarding the use of different G values and the interpretation of geometric parameters.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether to use only the G value from the layer where the force is applied or if the G values from other layers should also be considered in determining displacement.
  • Another participant asserts that all shear displacements from various layers must be accounted for when calculating the displacement at point A relative to the fixed base.
  • A participant proposes a method involving setting the internal shear force over the area equal to the product of the modulus of rigidity and shear strain, and rewrites shear strain in terms of displacement and layer height.
  • There is a query about whether the height used in calculations should be the height of the layer alone or the total height from the base to the top of the layer being analyzed.
  • One participant expresses frustration over consistently obtaining results that differ by fractions of a millimeter from expected values, questioning the validity of their results.
  • A later reply challenges the assumption that a small discrepancy in results necessarily indicates an incorrect answer.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit uncertainty regarding the treatment of multiple G values and the geometric parameters in their calculations. There is no consensus on the correct approach to take, and multiple competing views remain on how to accurately determine the displacement.

Contextual Notes

Participants express limitations in their understanding of how to incorporate different shear moduli and the appropriate geometric dimensions in their calculations, indicating potential dependencies on definitions and assumptions that are not fully resolved.

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Homework Statement



Find the displacement (mm) in the horizontal direction of point A due to the force, P. P=100kN w1=19mm w2=15mm

Homework Equations



\tau = G * \gamma
\tau = Shear stress = P / A
\gamma = Shear strain = (pi / 2) - \alpha

The Attempt at a Solution



I haven't attempted to work out a solution here yet, but I do have a question regarding the separate G values that are given.

Can I just look at the top layer, the layer where P is acting, and use that G value to determine \delta? Or do I need to do something with the other G value as well?

If I were to try something, I would find tau by doing 100[kN] / (100[mm] * 2[mm]). So tau would be equal to 1[kN]/2[mm2] = 0.5[GPa]. Next I would find gamma by dividing tau by G (100[GPa]) giving me \gamma = .005rad. I can use trig to define gamme as \gamma=sin-1(\delta/40). Setting this equal to .005 I would get \delta= .20[mm].

Even if I do have to do something with both of the G values, I feel like my method is correct. Any help is appreciated, thanks in advance.
 

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Hi papasmurf
 
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If delta at A is relative to the fixed base, then all the shear displacements of the various layers must be taken into account.
 
Am I correct in assuming the shear force will be the same at all the various layers?
 
Hi Dr.PSMokashi
 
I'm getting closer to the correct answer. First I set V/A, where V is the internal shear force and A is the area of the cross section where the shear force is acting, equal to G*\gamma, where G is the modulus of rigidity and gamma is the shear strain.
I rewrote gamma as pi/2 - θ, where θ=cos-1(\delta/h), h is the height of the "layer", and put it all together so that my equation looks like this:

V/A = G * ( pi/2 - cos-1(\delta/h) )

Solving for \delta I come up with
\delta = h * cos( (pi/2) - V/AG)

I used this formula for each "layer" and added up all of the deltas.

However after plugging my numbers in and making sure of correct units, I still am off by fractions of a millimeter.
 
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Also, should the h value be the height of the layer only or should it go from the base to the top of the layer I am looking at? For example if I am looking at the first layer where G=0.1MPa, would my h be simply w2 [mm] or would it be w2+2 [mm]?
 
I keep getting an answer that is off by fractions of a millimeter. I can not figure out what I am doing/not doing that keeps giving me a wrong answer.
 
How do you know that "an answer that is off by fractions of a millimeter" is "a wrong answer"?
 

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