Undergrad Statistic uncertainties in cross section plots - how to calculate?

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The discussion focuses on calculating statistical uncertainties in cross-section plots, specifically for signal particles in a momentum bin. The user seeks clarification on how to incorporate uncertainties from the matrix M and background events Nbkg into their signal calculation. It is noted that both M and Nbkg should be treated as Poisson distributions, with the standard deviation for Nbkg being √Nbkg. The conversation emphasizes the importance of using independent measured quantities for accurate uncertainty propagation and suggests that if M is diagonal, standard error propagation can be applied. The user finds the concept of data unfolding helpful for their analysis.
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TL;DNR: I am not sure how to calculate the statistic uncertainties for equations like N_sig=M*(N_meas-N_bkg), assuming Poisson distributions
Hi there,

I hope I chose the right forum for my question.

So, basically, I'm doing an analysis measuring the number of signal particles in a certain momentum bin i, and doing two corrections:

Nsig, i=M*(Nmeas, i-Nbkg, i)

Here, M is a matrix covering PID correction and PID efficiencies, and Nbkg, i is the number of background events in this bin (based on MC).
Now, there's obviously also statistical uncertainties in M and Nbkg, i that I want to calculate in include in the error bar:

Nsig, i=Nsig, i, mean±δNsig, i

But, how?

Assuming that M and Nbkg, i follow a Poisson distribution, the standard derivation for Nbkg, i would read as

σNbkg, i=√Nbkg, i

but this is only the standard deviation of events from the sample mean, right? To account for the fact that I'm only looking at a sample and not all possible collision events in the world I expected to need an expression like

σNbkg, i/√N

and this is also what I find in textbooks, but here I'm lost.

- Is this equation even the right one to start with?
- If so, is N simply the total number of MC background events used to calculate Nbkg, i?Thanks for ponting me in the right direction,
Amy
 
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I am confused. Why is M Poisson?

The usual trick is to express what you want entirely in terms of independent measured quantities, which are all then Poisson.
 
Amy_93 said:
σNbkg, i=√Nbkg, i
What happens outside this bin is irrelevant for the Poisson statistics in that bin. Note that N here is your full set of MC events in that bin. Your background estimate will likely use a scaled version of that, so you need to scale the uncertainty correspondingly.

Is M diagonal? If yes, then you have k independent problems and you can just use standard error propagation to combine the different sources. If it's not diagonal, then you need some unfolding procedure. All the standard procedures also come with a way to estimate uncertainties.
 
I am unclear. What is the dimension of the matrix M? The transformation it accomplishes sums data for bin i over various PID settings? Please be more explicit
What is "MC"
 
Ah thank you guys so much, data unfolding is exactly what I was looking for, I can take it from there :) Thanks again
 

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