Statistical physics - average potential energy and gravity field

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The discussion revolves around a problem in statistical physics related to average potential energy in a gravitational field. Participants are examining the formulation and dimensional analysis of the potential energy equation, as well as the steps taken to derive it.

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  • Participants are exploring different formulations of average energy and questioning the correctness of specific steps in the derivation. There are attempts to rewrite the energy equation and discussions about dimensional consistency.

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Please help me solve this problem:

Homework Statement

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The attempt at a solution

[PLAIN]http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/9531/79093945.jpg


This is my whole procedure:

[PLAIN]http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/5706/62291576.jpg

[PLAIN]http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/7240/94560340.jpg


This is the expected result:

[PLAIN]http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1264/21782586.jpg
 
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I can see 2 problems:
1 - The second step in (b) is wrong.
2 - The expected result's dimension is wrong.
 
Average energy may be rewriten in the form
[tex]E_p=\frac{1}{\beta}[1-\frac{x}{e^x-1}][/tex]
where
[tex]x={\beta}mgl[/tex]
WolframAlpha for the series gives
[tex]\frac{1}{e^x-1}=\frac{1}{x}-\frac{1}{2}+\frac{x}{12}[/tex]
and I get
[tex]E_p=\frac{x}{2\beta}(1-\frac{x}{6})[/tex]
 
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@zzzoak

I didn't know that average energy may be rewriten in this form. Can you please show me the procedure of how can I get your average energy from mine?

I see that you got the right result. I'll try to solve the problem with this form of potential energy.
Thank you very much!
 
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@hikaru1221

Thank you for your response!
Yes, the second step in b) is not correct. This is my new result:
[PLAIN]http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/4834/85676997.jpg

I can’t get the expected result. Please tell me, is dimension of my new result OK?
 
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It is the expect result's dimension that is wrong. I guess this should be the result: [tex]E_p=\frac{mgl}{2}(1-\frac{mgl}{6kT})[/tex].
So in your newest result, just omit the second power of (mgl/kT), you should get the expected result.
 
Your equation is
[tex]E_p=\frac{1}{\beta}\frac{1-e^{-x}(1+x)}{1-e^{-x}}=[/tex]
[tex]=\frac{1}{\beta}\frac{1-e^{-x}-xe^{-x}}{1-e^{-x}}=[/tex]
[tex]=\frac{1}{\beta}[1-\frac{xe^{-x}}{1-e^{-x}}]=[/tex]
[tex]=\frac{1}{\beta}[1-\frac{x}{e^{x}-1}][/tex]
 
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@zzzoak

@hikaru1221Thank you very much!
 

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