Statistics: Poisson Distribution

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The discussion centers on the Poisson distribution, specifically addressing the calculation of the Poisson parameter, ρ, when a Poisson random variable assumes values 0 and 1 with equal probability. Participants clarify that the probabilities for 0 and 1 must be less than 0.5 and correct the formula for the Poisson probability mass function to P(k) = (λ^k e^(-λ)) / k!. The relationship between ρ, λ, and the observation period s is also explored, concluding that ρ can be derived from λ and s. The final consensus is that ρ equals 1 under the given conditions.

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1. A Poisson random variable is such that it assumes the values 0 and 1 with equal probability. Find the value of the Poisson parameter, ρ ,for this variable.
2. Poisson equation: f(x) = e-λs(λs)/x!
3. I assumed the probability would be 0.5 because it can be either 0 or 1.
0.5 = e-λs(λs)/x! But now I'm wondering where in the equation would ρ be?
 
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whitehorsey said:
1. A Poisson random variable is such that it assumes the values 0 and 1 with equal probability. Find the value of the Poisson parameter, ρ ,for this variable.



2. Poisson equation: f(x) = e-λs(λs)/x!



3. I assumed the probability would be 0.5 because it can be either 0 or 1.
0.5 = e-λs(λs)/x! But now I'm wondering where in the equation would ρ be?

No, no, no. A Poisson random variables has nonzero probabilities at 0, 1, 2, 3, ..., and all these probabilities together sum to 1. Therefore, it is impossible to have probability 1/2 at both 0 and 1; all you have is that P(0) = P(1), and these must both be < 1/2.

Anyway, your formula for the Poisson f(x) is incorrect.
 
Ray Vickson said:
No, no, no. A Poisson random variables has nonzero probabilities at 0, 1, 2, 3, ..., and all these probabilities together sum to 1. Therefore, it is impossible to have probability 1/2 at both 0 and 1; all you have is that P(0) = P(1), and these must both be < 1/2.

Anyway, your formula for the Poisson f(x) is incorrect.

Ah why do they both have to be < 1/2?

Oh I forgot the x! f(x) = (e-λs(λs)x)/(x!)
 
whitehorsey said:
Ah why do they both have to be < 1/2?
Could they add up to 1? What would that mean for the prob of 2?
 
whitehorsey said:
Ah why do they both have to be < 1/2?

Oh I forgot the x! f(x) = (e-λs(λs)x)/(x!)

You were worried about "where ρ would be". Well, what do you think ρ stands for? How is it related to λ and s? BTW: λ and s have nothing to do with the problem!
 
What's ##s## and what's ##\rho##? Never heard of these symbols used in the context of the Poisson distribution.

The probability ##P(k)## of observing a value ##k## in a Poisson process with parameter ##\lambda## is given by:

$$P(k) = \frac{\lambda^k e^{-\lambda}}{k!}$$

(##k## is the usual symbol, and it's equivalent to the way ##x## has been used in this thread by the thread starter).

It's as simple as determining ##P(0)## and ##P(1)##, both very simple expressions, then setting them equal to each other and solving for ##\lambda##. Even the solution of this equation is trivial, giving a very simple value for the parameter. Yes, you will find that the (equal) probabilities are less than half, but you don't even need to recognise that before you solve the equation.
 
Hmm my book has the formula that way. I think ρ =λs.
It says that:
λ = the average number of occurrences of the event per unit.
s = the length or size of the observation period.

So I got,
P(0) = P(1)
e-λsλs = e-λs
Substitute λs to ρ
ρ = 1?
 
Yes.
 
haruspex said:
Yes.

Thank you everyone!

Could you also help me on this problem?

An IT department uses the following probability distribution for the number X of computer system crashes occurring during a week:

Number of crashes, x Probability, p(x)
0 0.60
1 0.30
2 0.07
3 0.03

a. What is the probability that there would be at least 2 crashes in a given week?
b. Find the expected number of crashes in a week, E(X).
c. Find the variance of X, V(X).

This is what I got but I'm not sure if it's correct.

a. 1 - P[X=0] - P[X=1] = 0.1
b. Using the E(X) formula, I got 0.53.
c. V(x) formula = 0.5691
 
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whitehorsey said:
Thank you everyone!

Could you also help me on this problem?

An IT department uses the following probability distribution for the number X of computer system crashes occurring during a week:

Number of crashes, x Probability, p(x)
0 0.60
1 0.30
2 0.07
3 0.03

a. What is the probability that there would be at least 2 crashes in a given week?
b. Find the expected number of crashes in a week, E(X).
c. Find the variance of X, V(X).

This is what I got but I'm not sure if it's correct.

a. 1 - P[X=0] - P[X=1] = 0.1
b. Using the E(X) formula, I got 0.53.
c. V(x) formula = 0.5691

All look right. For the first, you could also have added P(X=2) and P(X=3).
 
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Curious3141 said:
All look right. For the first, you could also have added P(X=2) and P(X=3).

Thank You!
 
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whitehorsey said:
Hmm my book has the formula that way. I think ρ =λs.
It says that:
λ = the average number of occurrences of the event per unit.
s = the length or size of the observation period.

So I got,
P(0) = P(1)
e-λsλs = e-λs
Substitute λs to ρ
ρ = 1?

In principle, a Poisson random variable need not have anything to do with counting "occurrences" over time; that is, you can have a ρ without having a λ and an s. A Poisson random variable with mean ρ has probability mass function \Pr(k) = \frac{\rho^k e^{-\rho}}{k!}, \: k = 0, 1, 2, \ldots
period. Whether or not ρ happens to be related to some "arrival" process has no bearing on the Poisson distribution itself. I would have hoped your textbook made that clear.
 

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