Steady Current and Magnetic Field

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to magnetic fields generated by current-carrying cylinders, specifically focusing on the application of Ampere's law and the behavior of magnetic fields in different regions around and within the cylinders.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to find the magnetic field contributions from two cylinders with opposing current densities and question the significance of the field in the region between the cylinders versus within the smaller cylinder.

Discussion Status

Some participants suggest that the original poster has the necessary information to approach the problem, while others express confusion about the definitions of the regions of interest and the implications of symmetry in determining the magnetic field direction.

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There is mention of specific constraints regarding the regions of interest, particularly the focus on the field within the smaller cylinder and the implications of symmetry in the problem setup. Participants are also referencing notes from similar problems, indicating a potential gap in understanding the application of these concepts.

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Homework Statement



Question 3 of http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/examples/B10b.pdf .

Homework Equations



[itex]\nabla \times B = \mu_0 J[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



I know for a cylinder, J (vector) = J (scalar) * k (vector), where unit k is the vector in the z-direction. So [itex]\nabla \times B = (0, 0, \mu_0 J)[/itex], somewhere (not quite sure where this is true in terms of a, b, d). I think I need to find B for the big cylinder, then B for the small cylinder, and combine them somehow? I don't see why the field in between the cylinders is important; we're only interested in B for x² + y² < a².

Thanks!
 
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I think you have everything you need to do this problem. Write down explicitly the sum of the two fields, one from +J and one from -J, for any point in the current free region of interest. The x dependence should drop out.
 
Spinnor said:
I think you have everything you need to do this problem. Write down explicitly the sum of the two fields, one from +J and one from -J, for any point in the current free region of interest. The x dependence should drop out.

If I was not clear enough, the problem suggested what to do.
 
Spinnor said:
I think you have everything you need to do this problem. Write down explicitly the sum of the two fields, one from +J and one from -J, for any point in the current free region of interest. The x dependence should drop out.

What is the 'free region of interest'? If I take a +J thing from one cylinder and then subtract the J bit from the other cylinder, surely I'm going to end up with an expression for the stuff in between the two cylinders? The question asks for the field within the smaller cylinder, not between the two.

My notes on a vaguely similar problem claim B = B(r)e_theta 'by symmetry'. Not quite sure why it's e_theta by symmetry.
 
SimbaTheLion said:
What is the 'free region of interest'? If I take a +J thing from one cylinder and then subtract the J bit from the other cylinder, surely I'm going to end up with an expression for the stuff in between the two cylinders? The question asks for the field within the smaller cylinder, not between the two.

My notes on a vaguely similar problem claim B = B(r)e_theta 'by symmetry'. Not quite sure why it's e_theta by symmetry.

You break the complex problem down into two simple ones. If you had a single cylinder with current density J you could tell me the magnetic field for any radius r inside the conductor via Ampere's law. To this field you add the imaginary field from the current -J which flows in the smaller cylinder. The sum of J and -J = 0, flows in the small cylinder. Properly added the x component of the magnetic fields should cancel.

If you are still stuck I'll try and add more.
 

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