STEP Paper 1 Q3 1998: True False Justification

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The discussion revolves around a question from a STEP paper regarding the truth values of several mathematical statements, requiring participants to justify their answers. The statements involve properties of logarithms, trigonometric functions, polynomial approximations, and inequalities.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that \(a^{\ln(b)}=b^{\ln(a)}\) is true for all \(a,b > 0\), suggesting taking the logarithm of both sides as justification.
  • Others argue that the statement \(\cos(\sin(\theta))=\sin(\cos(\theta))\) is false, providing the counterexample of \(\theta = 0\).
  • There is a claim that a polynomial \(P\) exists such that \(|P(\theta)-\cos(\theta)| < 10^{-6}\) for all real \(\theta\), with some participants referencing Taylor expansions of \(\cos(\theta)\) as support.
  • One participant questions the validity of using a Taylor expansion, stating that it is not a polynomial and does not satisfy the condition for all \(\theta\).
  • Regarding the inequality \(x^4+3+x^{-4} \ge 5\) for all \(x > 0\), some participants discuss methods to analyze it, including continuity, differentiability, and finding stationary points.
  • There are additional comments about logarithmic identities, suggesting relationships between logarithmic expressions but without clear consensus on their relevance to the original statements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the truth values of the statements, with some agreeing on certain points while others challenge those claims. The discussion remains unresolved on several aspects, particularly regarding the polynomial approximation and the inequality.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments depend on specific definitions of polynomials and the behavior of functions over all real numbers, which may not be universally accepted. The discussion includes assumptions about the continuity and differentiability of functions without fully resolving these aspects.

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Just to show that not everything in a STEP paper in difficult, this is an easy question:

Which of the following are true and which false? Justify your answers


(i) \(a^{\ln(b)}=b^{\ln(a)}\), for all \(a,b \gt 0\).


(ii) \(\cos(\sin(\theta))=\sin(\cos(\theta))\), for all real \(\theta\).


(iii) There exists a polynomial \(P\) such that \(|P(\theta)-\cos(\theta)| \lt 10^{ -6 } \) for all real \(\theta\)


(iv) \(x^4+3+x^{-4} \ge 5\) for all \(x\gt 0\).
 
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1) True take the ln for both sides

2) False take theta = 0

3) that true using Taylor expansion of cos(theta)

4) How to solve it ?
 
Amer said:
3) that true using Taylor expansion of cos(theta)
Really?

Amer said:
4) How to solve it ?
I assume z should be replaced by x. One way is to express $x^4+x^{-4}$ through $x+x^{-1}$. One needs to know that $x+x^{-1}\ge2$ for x > 0.
 
Amer said:
3) that true using Taylor expansion of cos(theta)

The question is that is true for all $\theta$... the function $\cos \theta$ is bounded in $\theta \in \mathbb{R}$, any polinomial $P(\theta)$ which is not a constant is unbounded in $\theta \in \mathbb{R}$...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
Amer said:
1) True take the ln for both sides

It is true, but that is not as it stands a valid explanation, you are assuming it true and deriving a truth, which is invalid logic. You need to start with a known truth and from that derive the equality you are seeking to justify.

2) False take theta = 0

Yes.

3) that true using Taylor expansion of cos(theta)

No, a Taylor expansion is not a polynomial, and a Taylor polynomial does not satisfy what is to be demonstrated for all \(\theta\)

4) How to solve it ?

\(f(x)=x^4+3+x^{-4}\) is continuous and differentiable for \(x\gt 0\), it goes to \(+\infty\) at \(x=0\) and as \(x\to \infty\). It has one stationary point in \( (0,\infty)\) at \(x=1\), which therefore must be a minimum and \(f(1)=5\)

CB
 

How about
$\ln(a)\ln(b) = \ln(b)\ln(a) $
$\ln(b^{\ln(a)}) = \ln(a^{\ln(b)})$
 
Amer said:

How about
$\ln(a)\ln(b) = \ln(b)\ln(a) $
$\ln(b^{\ln(a)}) = \ln(a^{\ln(b)})$

Basically yes, though I would put in some words explaining what you are doing.

CB
 

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