Steps necessary to solve for B

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The discussion revolves around solving for B in the context of Doppler shifts, specifically focusing on the equations related to red shift and blue shift as presented in a physics textbook. The original poster expresses difficulty in handling the steps necessary to solve for B, which is critical for addressing a related homework problem involving the Doppler blue shift of an approaching star.

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  • Participants discuss the relevant equations for red and blue shifts, with some attempting to manipulate the equations algebraically to isolate B. There are questions regarding the correctness of the initial equation and the implications of squaring both sides of the equation.

Discussion Status

Several participants have engaged in clarifying the equations and providing algebraic steps to isolate B. There is acknowledgment of a discrepancy in the reported answer, and the conversation reflects a collaborative effort to ensure understanding of the equations involved.

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Participants note the importance of distinguishing between the equations for red shift and blue shift, as well as the potential for typographical errors in the original poster's statement of the problem. The discussion highlights the need for careful interpretation of the equations presented in the textbook.

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Example 1.9 in the text "Modern Physics for Scientists and Engineers provides an example of Doppler red shift (Where [tex]B[/tex]=v/c)

[tex]\sqrt{(1-B)/(1+B)}[/tex] = 1/3

and provides the answer of B=.08 having solved for B

I am having a problem handling the simple steps necessary to solve for B in the example
Which means I cannot solve the homework problem that involves the Doppler blue shift of an approaching star (see equation below)

Homework Equations





[tex]\sqrt{(1-B)/(1+B)}[/tex]
 
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As the problem involves blue shift, the Relevant equation is:
[tex]\sqrt{(1+B)/(1-B)}[/tex]
 
Square, clear the fraction and isolate
1+B=(1/9)(1-B)
B=(-8/9)/(10/9)=-8/10
 
DumbOne said:
As the problem involves blue shift, the Relevant equation is:
[tex]\sqrt{(1+B)/(1-B)}[/tex]
That's not an equation.

The equation you gave in your first post was
[tex]\sqrt{(1-B)/(1+B)} = 1/3[/tex]
I'll solve it, but you should be able to apply the same technique to the equation you wind up with for blue shift.

Square both sides of the equation to get
[tex]\frac{1-B}{1+B} = 1/9[/tex]
Multiply both sides by (1 + B):
1 - B = 1/9 * (1 + B)
1 - B = 1/9 + B/9

Add B to both sides, and subtract 1/9 from both sides:
8/9 = 10B/9

Multiply both sides by 9/10:
8/10 = B, or B = .8

This is different from the .08 you reported as the answer.
 
It probably should be noted that if
[tex]\sqrt{(1-B)/(1+B)} = 1/3[/tex]
then
[tex]\sqrt{(1+B)/(1-B)} = 3[/tex]

The equation that rrogers solved had the revised radical expression on the left, but the same value on the right.
 
With your help, the problem was solved.

Thank you both very much.

p.s.
the answer to Example 1.9 was [tex]B[/tex]=0.8
my typo
 

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