Sterling hybrid car, will it work?

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of a hybrid car design that incorporates a traditional internal combustion engine alongside small Stirling engines to utilize waste heat for charging a battery. Participants explore the mechanics, efficiency, and economic implications of such a system.

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  • One participant proposes a hybrid car design using an internal combustion engine and small Stirling engines to charge a battery using waste heat.
  • Another participant references a thermoelectric generator that utilizes waste heat from a diesel truck engine, suggesting it could enhance fuel efficiency and reduce emissions.
  • A question is raised about whether the thermoelectric generator mentioned is a Stirling engine, leading to clarification that it is actually a Peltier device, which converts heat directly into electrical energy.
  • A later reply discusses the economics of Peltier devices as generators, noting their low cost and potential electricity output, while expressing uncertainty about their practical applications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the feasibility of the proposed hybrid car design, and there are differing views on the types of heat engines discussed, particularly regarding the distinction between Stirling engines and Peltier devices.

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There are unresolved questions about the economic viability of Peltier devices as generators and their practical applications in automotive contexts. Additionally, the discussion highlights the need for further investigation into the capabilities and costs associated with these technologies.

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What do you all think about the following idea?

A hybrid car could be built using a regular internal combustion engine, with a few small sterling engines connected to a battery resting on top of it. The car will start running on the internal combustion engine, and as it is running the heat from the engine will power the sterlings, which, through an electric motor (or generator) will charge the battery. When the battery is fully charged, the car will run on the battery's power. When the battery is depleted, the car will run on the internal combustion engine, and the battery will be recharged.

Is this feasable?
 
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mark1 said:
A hybrid car could be built using a regular internal combustion engine, with a few small sterling engines connected to a battery resting on top of it... the heat from the engine will power the sterlings, which ... will charge the battery.
Done:
http://www.hi-z.com/websit07.htm

  • Hi-Z has built a 1kW generator to utilize the waste heat of the engine of a class 8 diesel truck. This thermoelectric generator can be employed as a substitute for the truck engine alternator. Power to the driveshaft increases by three to five horsepower, which increases fuel efficiency and reduces emissions.

    Seventy-two HZ-14 modules generate electric power from the heat in the exhaust stream. The generator is located in the exhaust gas line after the engine turbocharger. Heat from the cold side of the thermoelectric generator is removed by circulating water to a standard automotive radiator.
 
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Is this "thermoelectric generator" a sterling engine? If there are no other engines that are powered by heat, obviously it must be a sterling. But is this so?
 
No, its a peltier device - its a semiconductor device that converts heat energy directly into electrical energy, similar to the way a thermocouple thermometer works. Click the link for the "HZ-14 module."

edit: I've been wondering about the economics of peltiers as generators. I've never seen a generator of this type except for the RTGs in space probes, and I assumed it must be due to cost. But I recently bought a 40mm square one for $5, and it can produce on the order of 100w of electricity. At 100w, $5 gives you about 400 hours from the grid - figure about a month of daylight. And I have to assume that $5 is a super-high price based on super-low production, because these things aren't something you can buy at WallMart.

edit: maybe I'm wrong about the capabilities. I need to look into this further...
 
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