Stirling's Formula: How does n relate to n^n.

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The discussion revolves around understanding Stirling's formula and its relationship to the factorial function, particularly how n relates to n^n. The original poster seeks guidance on proving aspects of this relationship, specifically the role of the factor e in the context of large n.

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  • Participants discuss various representations of factorials and their relationships to powers of n. There is an exploration of algebraic methods versus induction for proving the formula. Questions arise about deriving the relationship between n^n and n! without prior knowledge.

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The conversation has led to some productive insights regarding the manipulation of expressions and the simplification of terms. Participants have shared different approaches and representations, but there is no explicit consensus on a single method or proof yet.

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There is an emphasis on finding an algebraic method for the proof, and participants are considering various forms of the expressions involved. The original poster expresses a desire for hints rather than complete solutions, aligning with the forum's guidelines.

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Hello all.
I am doing a school paper on Stirling's formula and I want first to show how the factor e comes into place. So I found somewhere on the net the definition n! = (1-1/2)×(1-1/3)2... × (1-1/n)n-1] × nn.

I will then use this result and the definition of e^x since we are talking for large n to proceed.

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Problem is, how do I prove it? Although I haven't tried induction yet, I was told that I should find an algebraic method.

I don't want a complete solution, just a hint to guide me through the proof.

Thank you
 
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First represent all the 1-.5 and 1-1/3 by (1-1/n+1)^n, we note this is (n/(n+1))^n.
Now note what happens as we multiply this for different n's:
(1/2)^1 * (2/3)^2 * (3/4)^3... = (1^1 * 2^2 * 3^3...)/(2^1 * 3^2 * 4^3...).
Do you notice what is happening? Try canceling things up, in problems like this, I recommend you put things in variables like I did (n/(n+1)) in our case.Thanks, Bonaparte
 
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Bonaparte said:
First represent all the 1-.5 and 1-1/3 by (1-1/n+1)^n, we note this is (n/(n+1))^n.
Now note what happens as we multiply this for different n's:
(1/2)^1 * (2/3)^2 * (3/4)^3... = (1^1 * 2^2 * 3^3...)/(2^1 * 3^2 * 4^3...).
Do you notice what is happening? Try canceling things up, in problems like this, I recommend you put things in variables like I did (n/(n+1))^n in our case.Thanks, Bonaparte

Thank you for your response. I got it now, the fraction reduces to n!/(n+1)^n = Product from 1 to n of (n/(n+1))^n which leads to n!=(n+1)^n * the Product, but then the last term of the product cancels out with (n+1)^n and so comes the required result.

However, I am still interested on how you derived it. I mean, suppose we had absolutely no clue on how does n^n relate to n!. How would we then, think of this relationship? What steps would we have to take?
 
The relationship between n^n and n! is ruled by their definition. Now that I think about it a clearer way to have stated this is instead of n/n+1 (where we have to change n^n to (n+1)^n) is to state it in their way (1-1/n)^(n-1).
Then we have ((n-1)/n)^(n-1). Then proceed as before, although now it will be clearer. Considering your writing a paper about it, I recommend the second way.

As for your question, I derived it by look at the numbers, seeing the pattern (which is not even necessary considering its given) and implementing it into numbers.

Thanks and good luck, Bonaparte
 

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