Stochastic Calculus: Conditional Expectation

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The discussion focuses on correcting mistakes related to the calculation of expected values for independent random variables. Participants emphasize the importance of using multinomial coefficients rather than treating the sums as standard binomials. Specific errors are identified in the expressions for E(S2) and E(S3), with suggestions to verify calculations by substituting values for n. The correct approach involves recognizing the different types of terms generated in the expansions and their respective expectations. Overall, the conversation highlights the need for careful application of stochastic calculus principles in these calculations.
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Homework Statement
Suppose ##X_1,X_2 \dots ## are independent random variables with ##\mathbb{P}[X_j= 1] =1- \mathbb{P}[X_j=-1]=\frac13## Let ## S_n = X_1 +\dots +X_n## Find ## \mathbb{E}[S_n], \mathbb{E}[S^2_n], \mathbb{E}[S^3_n]##
Relevant Equations
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Have you tried the simple expedient of substituting some values of n and seeing if you get the right answer? Try n=1 to start.
You are making some careless mistakes
e.g. the expression for E(S2) should be n(1) + n(n-1)(1/9)
Your statement about the product of 3 random variables makes no sense; they are certainly not equal to zero. Each of the 3 random variables may independently take either of the values 1 or -1.
 
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WMDhamnekar said:
Homework Statement:: Suppose ##X_1,X_2 \dots ## are independent random variables with ##\mathbb{P}[X_j= 1] =1- \mathbb{P}[X_j=-1]=\frac13## Let ## S_n = X_1 +\dots +X_n## Find ## \mathbb{E}[S_n], \mathbb{E}[S^2_n], \mathbb{E}[S^3_n]##
Relevant Equations:: Not applicable

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I agree with mjc -- hey, it rhymes!

You can't treat a multinomial ## ( X_1+X_2+....+X_n)^2## as a standard binomial ##( X_1+X_2)^2##. Look up multinomial coefficients.
 
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Have you tried the simple expedient of substituting some values of n and seeing if you get the right answer? Try n=1 to start.
You are making some careless mistakes
e.g. the expression for E(S2) should be n(1) + n(n-1)(1/9)
Your statement about the product of 3 random variables makes no sense; they are certainly not equal to zero. Each of the 3 random variables may independently take either of the values 1 or -1.
So, taking into consideration your this reply, I correct my amswers as follows:
##\mathbb{E}[S_n]=-\displaystyle\frac{n}{3}, \mathbb{E}[S^2_n]= n +\displaystyle\frac{n(n-1)}{9}, \mathbb{E}[S^3_n ] = -\displaystyle\frac{n}{3}-\frac{n(n-1)}{2} -\displaystyle\frac{n(n-1)}{9}##

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No, they are not. The answer for E(Sn2) is wrong for n = 2, and that for E(Sn3) is wrong for n = 3.

The answer you gave in post #4 for E(Sn2) is right, but the answer for E(Sn3) is not. You didn't show your working, but I suspect the mistake may lie in enumerating the terms of different kinds.
There are n terms of the form Xi3, each of which has expectation -1/3.
There are 3n(n-1) terms of the form Xi2Xj, each of which has expectation -1/3*1.
There are n(n-1)(n-2) terms of the form XiXjXk, each of which has expectation -1/27.
(Check that the total number of terms is n3.)
 
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Sorry to insist on this, but I suggest you check multinomial coefficients , to determine how to expand multinomials ##( x_1+x_2+...+x_k)^n##. I suspect the errors may be partially due to this.
 
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