Stokes' theorem and unit vector

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The discussion revolves around applying Stokes' theorem to demonstrate that the line integral of a unit tangent vector over a closed curve is zero. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the notation and the application of the theorem, specifically in relation to scalar and vector fields.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of using Stokes' theorem and question the appropriateness of applying it to scalar versus vector fields. There is an exploration of the components of the unit tangent vector and the nature of the integral involved.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the correct application of Stokes' theorem, emphasizing the need to use a vector field rather than a scalar. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the notation and the components of the tangent vector.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of notation issues and confusion regarding the definition of the curl in relation to scalars and vectors. The original poster's reference to the textbook notation is noted as a source of misunderstanding.

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Homework Statement


Use Stokes' theorem to show that

\oint\ \hat{t}*ds = 0

Integration is done closed curve C and \hat{t} is a unit tangent vector to the curve C

Homework Equations


Stokes' theorem

\oint F* \hat{t}*ds = \int\int \hat{n}*curl(F)*ds

The Attempt at a Solution



Ok, this is really teasing me because I know that is probably simple. Could someone help please?
 
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Your notation is pretty sloppy. If t=(tx,ty,tz) the result of your first integral is the vector whose first coordinate is the integral of tx*ds, second is integral ty*ds, and third integral tz*ds. You want to show all of those are zero. Apply Stokes to the constant vector field F=(1,0,0). What does that tell you? What other vector fields would be good to use?
 
Dick said:
Your notation is pretty sloppy. If t=(tx,ty,tz) the result of your first integral is the vector whose first coordinate is the integral of tx*ds, second is integral ty*ds, and third integral tz*ds. You want to show all of those are zero. Apply Stokes to the constant vector field F=(1,0,0). What does that tell you? What other vector fields would be good to use?

Yes, sorry about the notation, it is direct copy from the book that I'm studying. t is a unit vector with components (dx/ds, dy/ds, dz/ds) so after the multiplication the integral is taken from vector (dx, dy, dz)
 
Sami Lakka said:
Yes, sorry about the notation, it is direct copy from the book that I'm studying. t is a unit vector with components (dx/ds, dy/ds, dz/ds) so after the multiplication the integral is taken from vector (dx, dy, dz)

Ok, now I think I got it. I should use Stokes' theorem with F=1 (scalar). What bothered me was that I was all the time looking at the cross product in curl which is not defined for scalars. Of course the cross product is only a notation, not actual vector cross product.
 
Sami Lakka said:
Ok, now I think I got it. I should use Stokes' theorem with F=1 (scalar). What bothered me was that I was all the time looking at the cross product in curl which is not defined for scalars. Of course the cross product is only a notation, not actual vector cross product.

No! You can't use Stokes theorem on a scalar. Use it on the vector F=(1,0,0)=1*i+0*j+0*k.
 

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