Stop Race Car in 1000 m with Parachute: Solve for Retarding Force

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The discussion revolves around calculating the retarding force required by a parachute to stop a race car over a distance of 1000 meters. Participants explore the application of kinematic equations and Newton's second law in the context of this physics problem.

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  • One participant states the initial conditions, including the weight of the car and its speed at the moment the parachute opens.
  • Another participant suggests using Newton's second law to find the force and proposes a kinematic equation to calculate acceleration.
  • There is a clarification regarding the displacement variable, with participants confirming it is 1000 m.
  • Several participants attempt to derive the acceleration using the kinematic equation and express it in terms of the initial and final velocities.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of using units correctly throughout the calculations.
  • Another participant points out the need to convert weight to mass for the calculations and provides a formula for the retarding force in terms of weight and acceleration.
  • There are repeated attempts to clarify the calculations, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the units and the steps involved.
  • Finally, one participant presents a numerical result for the retarding force, indicating a specific value but noting that it is derived from the previous discussions.

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Participants generally agree on the approach to use kinematic equations and Newton's second law, but there is some uncertainty regarding the calculations and unit conversions. The final numerical result is presented, but it is not universally accepted as definitive due to the earlier discussions on units and methodology.

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There are limitations regarding the clarity of unit conversions and the assumptions made about the values used in the calculations. Some participants express confusion about the steps leading to the final force calculation.

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The parachute on a race car of weight 8820 N opens at the end of quater mile run when the car is traveling at 35m/s^2
a.What total retarding force must be supplied by the parachute to stop the car to a distance of 1000 m

$\displaystyle d = v_0\cdot t + \frac{1}{2}\cdot a \cdot t^2 $
$\displaystyle v = v_0 + a\cdot t $ok I think you use these 2 equations
but not sure how to do the steps
 
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We are asked to find the magnitude of a force, and Newton's 2nd LAw states essentially:

$$F=ma$$

We are given the mass, the displacement, the initial and final velocities and so I would look at the following kinematic equation:

$$a=\frac{v_f^2-v_i^2}{2x}$$

Can you put these two equations together to find the required retarding force?
 
karush said:
what is x ?

1000?

Yes, $x$ is the displacement, which is given as 1000 m. Since this is physics, I would recommend always using units with your numbers, and ensure your units work out correctly. :)
 
MarkFL said:
Yes, $x$ is the displacement, which is given as 1000 m. Since this is physics, I would recommend always using units with your numbers, and ensure your units work out correctly. :)

this?

$\displaystyle a=\frac{v_f^2-v_i^2}{2x}
\implies\frac{0^2-(35 m/s^2)^2}{2(1000 m)}$

then?

$F=8820a$
 
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karush said:
$\displaystyle a=\frac{v_f^2-v_i^2}{2x}
\implies\frac{0^2-(35 m/s^2)^2}{2(1000 m)}$

this?

$\displaystyle a=\frac{v_f^2-v_i^2}{2x}
\implies\frac{0^2-(35 m/s^2)^2}{2(1000 m)}$

then?

$F=8820a$

You've got the right idea, but your units are off...I would write:

$$|F|=m|a|=m\left|\frac{v_f^2-v_i^2}{2x}\right|$$

Okay, now given that $v_f^2<v_i^2$, we can write:

$$|F|=\frac{m\left(v_i^2-v_f^2\right)}{2x}$$

Now, we are given the weight of the car, but we need the mass:

$$m=\frac{w}{g}$$

Hence:

$$|F|=\frac{w\left(v_i^2-v_f^2\right)}{2gx}$$

Now, plug in the given data along with the units...what do you get?
 
MarkFL said:
Now, we are given the weight of the car, but we need the mass:

$$m=\frac{w}{g}$$

Hence:

$$|F|=\frac{8820\left(v_i^2-v_f^2\right)}{2gx}$$

Now, plug in the given data along with the units...what do you get?

$\displaystyle |F|=\Biggr|\frac{w\left(v_i^2-v_f^2\right)}{2gx}\Biggr|$
$\displaystyle |F|=\Biggr|\frac{8820((35 m/s^2)^2-0^2)}{2(9.8 m/s^2)(1000m)}\Biggr|$kinda?
kinda?
 
karush said:
$\displaystyle |F|=\Biggr|\frac{w\left(v_i^2-v_f^2\right)}{2gx}\Biggr|$
$\displaystyle |F|=\Biggr|\frac{8820((35 m/s^2)^2-0^2)}{2(9.8 m/s^2)(1000m)}\Biggr|$kinda?
kinda?

Your units are off, or missing...what you want is:

$$|F|=\frac{\left(8820\text{ N}\right)\left(\left(35\dfrac{\text{m}}{\text{s}}\right)^2-\left(0\dfrac{\text{m}}{\text{s}}\right)^2\right)}{2\left(9.8\dfrac{\text{m}}{\text{s}^2}\right)\left(1000\text{ m}\right)}$$

Do you see how all the units divide out leaving nothing by Newtons, which is dimensionally correct, since the LHS is the magnitude of a force? So what we're left with is:

$$|F|=\frac{8820\cdot35^2}{2\cdot9.8\cdot1000}\,\text{N}=\,?$$
 
$\displaystyle
|F|=\Biggr|\frac{\left(8820\text{ N}\right)\left(\left(35\dfrac{\text{m}}{\text{s}}\right)^2-\left(0\dfrac{\text{m}}{\text{s}}\right)^2\right)}
{2\left(9.8\dfrac{\text{m}}{\text{s}^2}\right)\left(1000\text{ m}\right)}\Biggr|
=\color{red}{551.25 \, \textsf{N}}$

the W|A touch!
 

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