Stopping a Bullet: Calculate umin and xf

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The discussion focuses on calculating the minimum speed of a bullet, ##u_{min}##, required for a block to fall off a surface after a collision, and the distance ##x_f## where the block lands. The equations derived are ##u_{min}=\big(1+\frac{m_2}{m_1}\big)\sqrt{2\mu_k g d}## for the minimum speed and ##x_f=\sqrt{\frac{2h}{g}\Big(\big(\frac{m_1}{m_1+m_2}u\big)^2-2\mu_k g d\Big)}## for the landing position. The calculations utilize conservation of momentum and Newton's second law to derive the necessary expressions. The results were confirmed by another participant in the discussion. The thread emphasizes the application of physics principles to solve the problem effectively.
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Homework Statement
A bullet of mass ##m_1## traveling horizontally with speed ##u## hits a block of mass ##m_2## that is originally at rest and becomes embedded in the block. After the collision, the block slides horizontally a distance ##d## on a surface with friction, and then falls off the surface at a height ##h## as shown. The coefficient of kinetic friction between the block and the surface is ##\mu_k##. Assume the collision is nearly instantaneous and all distances are large compared to the size of the block. Neglect air resistance.

(a) What is ##u_{min}##, the minimum speed of the bullet so that the block falls off the surface? Express your answer in terms of some or all of the following: ##m_1, m_2, \mu_k, d, h## and ##g## for the gravitational constant.

(b) Assume that the initial speed of the bullet ##u## is large enough for the block to fall off the surface. Calculate ##x_f## , the position where the block hits the ground measured from the bottom edge of the surface. Express your answer in terms of some or all of the following: ##m_1, m_2, \mu_k, u, d, h## and ##g##.
Relevant Equations
Newton's 2nd Law : $$\overrightarrow{F}=m\overrightarrow{a}$$
Conservation of momentum for instantaneous collision: $$\overrightarrow{p_1}=\overrightarrow{p_2}$$
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(a) ##u_{min}=\big(1+\frac{m_2}{m_1}\big)\sqrt{2\mu_k g d}##

(b) ##x_f=\sqrt{\frac{2h}{g}\Big(\big(\frac{m_1}{m_1+m_2}u\big)^2-2\mu_k g d\Big)}##

Can someone check please?
 
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ThEmptyTree said:
Homework Statement:: A bullet of mass ##m_1## traveling horizontally with speed u hits a block of mass ##m_2## that is originally at rest and becomes embedded in the block. After the collision, the block slides horizontally a distance ##d## on a surface with friction, and then falls off the surface at a height ##h## as shown. The coefficient of kinetic friction between the block and the surface is ##\mu_k##. Assume the collision is nearly instantaneous and all distances are large compared to the size of the block. Neglect air resistance.

(a) What is ##u_{min}##, the minimum speed of the bullet so that the block falls off the surface? Express your answer in terms of some or all of the following: ##m_1, m_2, \mu_k, d, h## and ##g## for the gravitational constant.

(b) Assume that the initial speed of the bullet ##u## is large enough for the block to fall off the surface. Calculate ##x_f## , the position where the block hits the ground measured from the bottom edge of the surface. Express your answer in terms of some or all of the following: ##m_1, m_2, \mu_k, u, d, h## and ##g##.
Relevant Equations:: Newton's 2nd Law : $$\overrightarrow{F}=m\overrightarrow{a}$$
Conservation of momentum for instantaneous collision: $$\overrightarrow{p_1}=\overrightarrow{p_2}$$

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(a) ##u_{min}=\big(1+\frac{m_2}{m_1}\big)\sqrt{2\mu_k g d}##

(b) ##x_f=\sqrt{\frac{2h}{g}\Big(\big(\frac{m_1}{m_1+m_2}u\big)^2-2\mu_k g d\Big)}##

Can someone check please?
Explain how you arrived at those answers.

Please, show your work.
 
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ThEmptyTree said:
(a) ##u_{min}=\big(1+\frac{m_2}{m_1}\big)\sqrt{2\mu_k g d}##

(b) ##x_f=\sqrt{\frac{2h}{g}\Big(\big(\frac{m_1}{m_1+m_2}u\big)^2-2\mu_k g d\Big)}##

Can someone check please?
Looks right.
 
@haruspex Thanks for checking.

This is a sketch of what I've done:

(a)
##t=t_1:\text{right before the collision}##
$$\overrightarrow{p_1}=m_1\overrightarrow{u}$$
##t=t_2:\text{right after the collision}##
$$\overrightarrow{p_2}=(m_1+m_2)\overrightarrow{v_2}$$
Conservation of momentum to find ##v_2##:
$$\overrightarrow{p_1}=\overrightarrow{p_2}\Rightarrow v_2=\frac{m_1}{m_1+m_2}u$$
Newton's 2nd law to find acceleration:
$$\overrightarrow{F}=m\overrightarrow{a}\Rightarrow a=-\mu_k g$$
Considering the case when the block stops on the edge:
$$v^2=v_0^2+2a(x-x_0)\Rightarrow 0=v_2^2+2ad\Rightarrow u_{min}=\big(1+\frac{m_2}{m_1}\big)\sqrt{2\mu_k g d}$$

(b)
Applying the same logic to find horizontal component of falling speed and so ##x## as a function of ##t##:
$$v_x=\sqrt{\big(\frac{m_1}{m_1+m_2}u\big)^2-2\mu_k g d},~x=v_x t$$
Using kinematics to find ##y## as a function of ##t##:
$$y=h-\frac{1}{2}gt^2$$
Eliminating ##t## from both equations:
$$y=h-\frac{g}{2v_x^2}x^2$$
At ##y=0\Rightarrow x=x_f~:##
$$x_f=\sqrt{\frac{2h}{g}\Big(\big(\frac{m_1}{m_1+m_2}u\big)^2-2\mu_k g d\Big)}$$
 
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