Stopping a Bullet: Calculate umin and xf

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The problem involves a bullet of mass m1 colliding with a block of mass m2 that is initially at rest. After the collision, the block slides a distance d on a frictional surface before falling off a height h. The goal is to determine the minimum speed umin of the bullet required for the block to fall off the surface and the position xf where the block hits the ground.

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  • Participants discuss the conservation of momentum and Newton's second law to derive expressions for umin and xf. Some participants seek verification of their derived equations, while others provide checks on the correctness of these equations.

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There is ongoing verification of the derived equations, with some participants affirming the correctness of the expressions for umin and xf. The discussion includes detailed breakdowns of the reasoning behind the equations, indicating a productive exploration of the problem.

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Participants are working under the assumption that the collision is instantaneous and that air resistance can be neglected. There is also a focus on expressing the answers in terms of the given variables.

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Homework Statement
A bullet of mass ##m_1## traveling horizontally with speed ##u## hits a block of mass ##m_2## that is originally at rest and becomes embedded in the block. After the collision, the block slides horizontally a distance ##d## on a surface with friction, and then falls off the surface at a height ##h## as shown. The coefficient of kinetic friction between the block and the surface is ##\mu_k##. Assume the collision is nearly instantaneous and all distances are large compared to the size of the block. Neglect air resistance.

(a) What is ##u_{min}##, the minimum speed of the bullet so that the block falls off the surface? Express your answer in terms of some or all of the following: ##m_1, m_2, \mu_k, d, h## and ##g## for the gravitational constant.

(b) Assume that the initial speed of the bullet ##u## is large enough for the block to fall off the surface. Calculate ##x_f## , the position where the block hits the ground measured from the bottom edge of the surface. Express your answer in terms of some or all of the following: ##m_1, m_2, \mu_k, u, d, h## and ##g##.
Relevant Equations
Newton's 2nd Law : $$\overrightarrow{F}=m\overrightarrow{a}$$
Conservation of momentum for instantaneous collision: $$\overrightarrow{p_1}=\overrightarrow{p_2}$$
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(a) ##u_{min}=\big(1+\frac{m_2}{m_1}\big)\sqrt{2\mu_k g d}##

(b) ##x_f=\sqrt{\frac{2h}{g}\Big(\big(\frac{m_1}{m_1+m_2}u\big)^2-2\mu_k g d\Big)}##

Can someone check please?
 
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Homework Statement:: A bullet of mass ##m_1## traveling horizontally with speed u hits a block of mass ##m_2## that is originally at rest and becomes embedded in the block. After the collision, the block slides horizontally a distance ##d## on a surface with friction, and then falls off the surface at a height ##h## as shown. The coefficient of kinetic friction between the block and the surface is ##\mu_k##. Assume the collision is nearly instantaneous and all distances are large compared to the size of the block. Neglect air resistance.

(a) What is ##u_{min}##, the minimum speed of the bullet so that the block falls off the surface? Express your answer in terms of some or all of the following: ##m_1, m_2, \mu_k, d, h## and ##g## for the gravitational constant.

(b) Assume that the initial speed of the bullet ##u## is large enough for the block to fall off the surface. Calculate ##x_f## , the position where the block hits the ground measured from the bottom edge of the surface. Express your answer in terms of some or all of the following: ##m_1, m_2, \mu_k, u, d, h## and ##g##.
Relevant Equations:: Newton's 2nd Law : $$\overrightarrow{F}=m\overrightarrow{a}$$
Conservation of momentum for instantaneous collision: $$\overrightarrow{p_1}=\overrightarrow{p_2}$$

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(a) ##u_{min}=\big(1+\frac{m_2}{m_1}\big)\sqrt{2\mu_k g d}##

(b) ##x_f=\sqrt{\frac{2h}{g}\Big(\big(\frac{m_1}{m_1+m_2}u\big)^2-2\mu_k g d\Big)}##

Can someone check please?
Explain how you arrived at those answers.

Please, show your work.
 
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ThEmptyTree said:
(a) ##u_{min}=\big(1+\frac{m_2}{m_1}\big)\sqrt{2\mu_k g d}##

(b) ##x_f=\sqrt{\frac{2h}{g}\Big(\big(\frac{m_1}{m_1+m_2}u\big)^2-2\mu_k g d\Big)}##

Can someone check please?
Looks right.
 
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@haruspex Thanks for checking.

This is a sketch of what I've done:

(a)
##t=t_1:\text{right before the collision}##
$$\overrightarrow{p_1}=m_1\overrightarrow{u}$$
##t=t_2:\text{right after the collision}##
$$\overrightarrow{p_2}=(m_1+m_2)\overrightarrow{v_2}$$
Conservation of momentum to find ##v_2##:
$$\overrightarrow{p_1}=\overrightarrow{p_2}\Rightarrow v_2=\frac{m_1}{m_1+m_2}u$$
Newton's 2nd law to find acceleration:
$$\overrightarrow{F}=m\overrightarrow{a}\Rightarrow a=-\mu_k g$$
Considering the case when the block stops on the edge:
$$v^2=v_0^2+2a(x-x_0)\Rightarrow 0=v_2^2+2ad\Rightarrow u_{min}=\big(1+\frac{m_2}{m_1}\big)\sqrt{2\mu_k g d}$$

(b)
Applying the same logic to find horizontal component of falling speed and so ##x## as a function of ##t##:
$$v_x=\sqrt{\big(\frac{m_1}{m_1+m_2}u\big)^2-2\mu_k g d},~x=v_x t$$
Using kinematics to find ##y## as a function of ##t##:
$$y=h-\frac{1}{2}gt^2$$
Eliminating ##t## from both equations:
$$y=h-\frac{g}{2v_x^2}x^2$$
At ##y=0\Rightarrow x=x_f~:##
$$x_f=\sqrt{\frac{2h}{g}\Big(\big(\frac{m_1}{m_1+m_2}u\big)^2-2\mu_k g d\Big)}$$
 
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