Straight lines and flat surfaces

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the characterization of straight lines and flat surfaces in the context of differential geometry. Participants explore conditions that define straightness for parameterized lines and surfaces, considering both necessary and sufficient criteria.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that a line is straight if its acceleration (second derivative) is parallel to its velocity (first derivative), expressed as ##\ddot{\phi}(t) = g(t)\cdot\dot{\phi}(t)## for some non-zero function ##g(t)##.
  • Another participant suggests that a line is straight at a given point if its second derivative with respect to arc length is zero.
  • A later reply affirms the first participant's description and extends the discussion to surfaces, indicating that similar conditions may apply for parameterized surfaces.
  • It is noted that a straight line can be parameterized in a specific form, and any path following this line represents a reparameterization.
  • The same principles are mentioned to apply to mappings of planes or higher-dimensional spaces into Euclidean space, with the only variation being the number of parameters involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions of straightness, with some focusing on the concept of geodesics versus straight lines. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the sufficiency of the proposed conditions.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the functions involved and the definitions of straightness and flatness, which may depend on the context of the discussion.

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Suppose I have a parameterized line ##\phi:\mathbb{R}\to\mathbb{R}^n## given by ##\phi(t) = (x^\mu(t))|_{\mu=1}^n##. How can I tell that the line is straight.

My best answer so far is that at every time ##t## the acceleration (2nd derivative) is parallel to the velocity (1st derivative), i.e. ##\ddot{\phi}(t) = g(t)\cdot\dot{\phi}(t)##, for some function ##g(t)## (which likely should better not be zero anywhere).

Is this a valid description (necessary and sufficient) of a straight line? Are there different ones?

And a very similar question for a 2-dimensional surface, i.e. now we have ##\phi:\mathbb{R}^2\to\mathbb{R}^n##. Assuming the above is true for the straight line description. Is there a similar condition for the surface?
 
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Since you have posted this in the Differential Geometry forum, this may be a good time to read (up) on geodesics which is the generalization of the idea of "straight line".
 
If you really mean "straight" rather than "geodesic", a line is straight, at a given point, if and only if its second derivative, with respect to arc length, is 0.
 
birulami said:
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My best answer so far is that at every time ##t## the acceleration (2nd derivative) is parallel to the velocity (1st derivative), i.e. ##\ddot{\phi}(t) = g(t)\cdot\dot{\phi}(t)##, for some function ##g(t)## (which likely should better not be zero anywhere).

And a very similar question for a 2-dimensional surface, i.e. now we have ##\phi:\mathbb{R}^2\to\mathbb{R}^n##. Assuming the above is true for the straight line description. Is there a similar condition for the surface?


This is correct. A straight line can be parameterized to have the equation c(t) = b + at for vectors a and b. Any path that follows this line will be a reparameterization of it i.e. t = f(s). You can prove your conclusion using the Chain Rule.

The same idea applies for the map of a plane into Euclidean space or for a map of R^m into R^n. The only difference is the number of parameters.
 

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