Straight wires carrying DC currents

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The discussion revolves around the interactions between two straight wires carrying direct current (DC) and the conditions under which they experience mutual magnetic forces. Participants explore the effects of wire orientation and current direction on the forces involved, considering both linear and angular components of these forces.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions under what conditions two straight wires carrying DC currents will not feel any mutual magnetic force, suggesting that they always experience a magnetic force due to their interaction with each other's magnetic fields.
  • Another participant states that the magnetic force between the wires depends on the direction of the currents; currents in the same direction attract while opposite directions repel, indicating a relationship between current orientation and force type.
  • A different participant proposes that if the wires are perpendicular, there would be a torque acting on them, suggesting that while linear forces may cancel, angular forces remain.
  • Another contribution clarifies that for perpendicular wires, the total linear force on one wire is zero because forces on one half cancel those on the other half, yet a net torque exists that would rotate the wire towards parallel alignment with the other wire.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of forces between the wires, particularly regarding the effects of current direction and wire orientation. There is no consensus on the overall behavior of the forces involved, indicating ongoing debate.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the infinite length of wires and the simplifications made in analyzing forces, such as neglecting edge effects or other practical considerations that may arise in real-world scenarios.

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Straight wires carrying DC currents...

Dear Forum,

when will two straight wires, both carrying a DC current, not feel any mutual magnetic force?

What reciprocal orientation do they need to have? It looks to me that they will always feel a magnetic force if they are parallel, perpendicular or at any other angle, since they are immersed in each other B field which is not parallel to the wire direction...is that true?

But I have been told that if they are infinite and perpendicular, there will be no net force...
Why? Net force in the sense that there are two forces that oppose each other, or no force on either wire?

thanks,
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I think the magnetic force depends on the direction of the current in each wire... if the wires are carrying currents in the same direction they attract each other, but if they carry currents in the opposite direction then the force between them is repulsive. So the net force depends on whether the currents are parallel or anti-parallel.
 


If you have 2 perpendicular wires, I believe there would be a torque trying to rotate them about the line which joins them.
 


If two current carrying wires are perpendicular, then the total linear force on one wire will be zero, simply because all the linear forces on one half of the wire will be canceled by forces on the other half. But it will experience a total angular force (a net torque) trying to turn the one wire until it is parallel to the other wire. Draw a little diagram and use F = qv x B at several point along the wire and you can see this pretty quickly. This case is actually very similar to an electric motor with square loops of wire near the outside creating the field and square loops near the axis responding to the field. Each loop feels feels a net torque but no net linear force, so the motor turns.
 

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