Strange Phenomena when the Sun is low on the horizon?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomena experienced when the sun is low on the horizon, particularly regarding the perception of sound from a nearby highway and the impact on television reception. Participants explore potential explanations related to atmospheric conditions, specifically inversion layers and sound propagation effects.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes experiencing amplified sounds of traffic when the sun is low, suggesting a connection to atmospheric conditions.
  • Another participant proposes that refraction may play a role in the sound phenomenon, referencing external sources for further reading.
  • A participant mentions inversion layers as a likely explanation, noting that temperature differences in the atmosphere can affect sound propagation.
  • Further elaboration on inversion layers includes the idea that sound waves travel faster in warmer air, which can focus sound energy downwards.
  • Participants discuss the influence of wind on sound propagation, with some arguing that wind speed is not the primary factor but does contribute to the effect.
  • There is a mention of the inverse square law and its potential relevance to the observed sound intensity differences, suggesting a geometrical focusing effect.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the mechanisms behind the phenomena, particularly regarding the roles of inversion layers, wind effects, and sound propagation. No consensus is reached on the primary cause or the significance of each factor.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific atmospheric conditions and physical principles, but the discussion remains open-ended with unresolved details about the exact mechanisms at play.

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I live about 1/4 mile from the Interstate Highway. I am far enough away the traffic can not be heard until the sun is very low on the horizon. Every even for about 1 hour when the sun is very low it sounds like the interstate traffic is in my back yard. It is so loud it is just like standing next to the highway. Once the sun goes on down traffic can not be heard.

Also I built a very good TV antenna. I receive 46 crystal clear station from 40 miles away. The antenna is over kill on purpose no matter how bad the weather gets, rains, snows, fog, hail, tornado, wind, trees, nothing blocks the signal we get crystal clean TV reception. But every day for about 1 hour when the sun is very low on the horizon TV reception for several station is zero and other stations break up too bad to watch.

What does the sun have to do with these 2 strange phenomena?
 
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gary350 said:
I live about 1/4 mile from the Interstate Highway. I am far enough away the traffic can not be heard until the sun is very low on the horizon. Every even for about 1 hour when the sun is very low it sounds like the interstate traffic is in my back yard. It is so loud it is just like standing next to the highway. Once the sun goes on down traffic can not be heard.

Could be refraction:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/sound/refrac.html
https://www.ec.gc.ca/foudre-lightning/default.asp?lang=En&n=4EFD3A52-1
 
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KarenRei said:
Easy one - it means your local weather involves inversion layers around sunset:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inversion_(meteorology)#Consequences

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It may be worth while explaining how it works. The speed of sound is roughly proportional to the temperature. When there is cold air near the ground an warm air above, the waves overhead travel faster than the waves along the ground and this has a focussing effect which bends the sound energy that normally goes way over your head and brings it down to ground again.
There's a similar effect when the wind is blowing towards you and there can be a velocity gradient (lower speed air near the ground due to drag and higher wind speed at height) This also has a focussing effect due to a very small phase advance in the sound traveling at height and is not, as people say, because the sound is 'blown towards you'.
 
sophiecentaur said:
...and is not, as people say, because the sound is 'blown towards you'.
Not primarily, because winds are much slower than the speed of sound. But it also has a slight effect.
 
A.T. said:
Not primarily, because winds are much slower than the speed of sound. But it also has a slight effect.
What wind speed were you considering? What is "slight"? Isn't the main effect that you're referring to a difference in propagation time (which is what causes the focussing))
The focussing effect due to wind shear is significant.
 
sophiecentaur said:
Isn't the main effect that you're referring to a difference in propagation time
And longer propagation time means the energy is distributed over a larger area, thus decreasing intensity.
 
Inverse square law. Yes it must be there and possibly measurable. How far does the ISL 'sphere' move, I wonder? The effect would be in the ratio of sound speed to speed difference (squared, probably). But the very audible difference must be in the region of a few dB so it has to be 'geometrical' focussing effect due to the distortion of the sphere rather than its actual speed of movement.
 

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