Stripping Electrons: Can Plates Charge in Open Air?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concept of charging two conducting plates in open air to high voltages and whether this can lead to the ionization of air molecules without resulting in electrical sparks between the plates. The scope includes theoretical considerations of electrical discharge phenomena and ionization processes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that charging two plates to several hundred thousand kiloVolts could potentially strip electrons from air molecules, leading to ionization without sparking.
  • Another participant argues that a spark occurs due to discharge through ionized air, suggesting that ionization would typically lead to a spark.
  • A third participant introduces the concept of corona discharge, noting that while it is not considered a 'spark', it still involves a current flow, albeit small.
  • Further clarification is offered that it might be technically possible for a charged plate to ionize air without a spark, depending on the relative charge of the air and the potential not reaching full breakdown between the plates.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether ionization can occur without sparking, with some suggesting it is possible under certain conditions while others assert that a spark is a typical outcome of ionization.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions about air charge and potential differences, as well as the definitions of discharge phenomena like corona discharge versus sparks.

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Imagine charging up two conducting plates, placed nowhere near each other in an open air, to several hundred thousand kiloVolts. Can the positive plate strips off electrons from the air molecules and thus ionizing them without any event of electrical sparks between the two plates?
 
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That is just how a spark occurs, by discharge through the ionized air.
 
Hello!

I may be going out of my place by making this my first post, but here goes. Please correct me if I am incorrect or my statements could be better said another way.

You will still have charge carries near the positive plate, in this they are the ions left over.
Your post made me think of a corona discharge, which most people would not call a 'spark' , but there is still a current flowing, although it is small relative to a full blown arc.
 
Sorry, that was just a very quick reply, and I don't seem able to edit it.

It would be technically possible for a charged plate to ionize air without a spark between the plates, provided that the air has a charge relative to the plate and that the potential is not enough for a full breakdown between the two plates.

Again, I wish for corrections if I have stated something incorrect, and I do apologize if this explanation is way too simple.
 

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