Struggling to find solution to 1D wave equation in the following form:

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The discussion revolves around the 1D wave equation and its representation using complex exponentials and trigonometric functions. Participants are exploring the relationships between these forms and the implications of using complex constants in the solutions.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of Euler's identity and the challenges of expressing solutions in terms of real functions. There are attempts to clarify the relationships between complex coefficients and their real counterparts, as well as questions about the assignment of constants in the equations.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between different forms of the wave equation solutions. Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the problem by suggesting the use of distinct constants and the implications of using complex numbers. Multiple interpretations of the constants and their meanings are being examined.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of recognizing that constants in different forms of the solution may have different meanings and that the wave equation can be expressed without complex numbers by using sine and cosine functions directly.

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Homework Statement
Seperate 1D wave equation into time dependent and indipendent form and show solution takes the following trig form.
Relevant Equations
1D wave equaiton
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You should know a relationship between ##e^{ix}## and trig functions of x.
 
haruspex said:
You should know a relationship between ##e^{ix}## and trig functions of x.
I tried using eulers identity but i just end up with a mess of complex and none complex trig functions rather than what they want.
 
You want a real value for T(t) = C_1e^{i\lambda ct} + C_2e^{-i\lambda ct}. So C_1 = A + iB and C_2 must be complex conjugates. Try expanding <br /> (A + iB)(\cos \lambda ct + i\sin \lambda ct) + (A - iB)(\cos \lambda ct - i\sin \lambda ct) and see what you get.
 
Im not quite sure how or what you did but its closer to anything i was able to find.
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Can i ask what you did?
 
In your solution in post #1, A, B, C and D can be complex, but you know that T and ##\phi## are real. That should allow you to establish some relationships between your constants.
 
Ibidy said:
I tried using eulers identity but i just end up with a mess of complex and none complex trig functions rather than what they want.
Perhaps your difficulty lies in writing the same symbols for constants that are different. Equation (15) is
##T(t)=A\sin(c\lambda t)+B\cos(c\lambda t).## You chose to write the general solution you derived as ##T(t)=Ae^{i\lambda ct}+Be^{-i\lambda ct}.## Why did you assign ##A## to the positive exponential and ##B## to the negative instead of the other way around? You could also have chosen linear combinations of ##A## and ##B## in front of each exponential and you would still have a solution. Constants ##A## and ##B## in equation (15) do not have the same meaning as your ##A## and ##B##. The same is also true for ##C## and ##D##.

If I were you, I would write my general solution as ##T(t)=A'e^{i\lambda ct}+B'e^{-i\lambda ct}## and then find a relation between the primed and unprimed constants. Start with equation (15) and observe that $$\cos \!x=\frac{e^{ix}+e^{-ix}}{2}~;~~\sin \!x=\frac{e^{ix}-e^{-ix}}{2i}=-i\frac{e^{ix}-e^{-ix}}{2}.$$Then gather like exponential terms. It's not that much of a mess.
 
You can avoid complex numbers altogether
if you recognize that sine and cosine are solutions
of the separated 2nd-order ordinary differential equations,
since they are [also] functions that are proportional to minus-their-second-derivative
(as verified by substitution).

Otherwise, as @kuruman has noted,
you will have to work with generally distinct complex coefficients
between the different forms of the general solution.
 
kuruman said:
Perhaps your difficulty lies in writing the same symbols for constants that are different.
I think it more likely that @Ibidy understands that the two sets of A, B, C, D are different, but has missed that in general they are complex. Without that, it is not possible to transmute the one set into the other.
 

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