Struggling with Plane Motion Homework?

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to plane motion involving a block with mass. Participants are attempting to analyze the forces acting on the block and its trajectory, particularly in a three-dimensional context.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are discussing the Free Body Diagram (FBD) and the forces acting on the block, including gravity and the normal force. There are questions about the interpretation of inertia and the components of forces in a 3D scenario. Some suggest treating the motion as a projectile problem, while others emphasize the importance of the normal force in the analysis.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on the importance of the FBD and the forces involved. There is an exploration of different interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the forces acting on the block and the trajectory analysis.

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There is some confusion regarding the translation of terms and the setup of the problem, particularly in distinguishing between 2D and 3D analyses. Participants are also considering the implications of the initial velocity and the absence of additional external forces.

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Hey guys!

I´m having a lot of trouble , even on starting this problem. Can someone give me a help??

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Welcome to the PF. :smile:

I'm not sure about the screenshot translation, but "a block of inertia m" is pretty hard to decode for me. But leaving that aside for now...

Can you show us your Free Body Diagram (FBD) for the mass in this problem? Show the x-y axes and the forces on the mass, and post the Relevant Equations for the motion of the mass (velocity, acceleration, etc.) based on that FBD.

After you do that work, we should be able to help you more. :smile:
 
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to clarify inertia m means that the block has a m mass
 
Thanks :D
I got to this
I am truly confused now
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What exactly are the forces ##F_x,f_x,F_y,f_y##? I mean to what physical forces they do correspond?

In my opinion there are only 2 forces acting on the block, gravity and the normal force, but they are immersed into 3D and not in 2D as we are used to for this kind of problems. So extra care is needed when analysing these two forces into x,y components(and possibly z component, though the z-axis is not shown in the picture i believe we can take the z-axis to be in the direction of the normal force).
 
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You are showing an equation that contains acceleration; however, it seems to me that there is no other acceleration involved than gravity in this case.
The reason is that the body starts its trajectory with certain velocity and nothing tells us about additional external forces acting upon it, other than its own weight.

It is perhaps a simplistic and incorrect approach, but I would try the calculations of this problem as a regular projectile one with trajectory on the vertical plane.
The actual initial velocity, velocity's angle and trajectory over the incline plane (x-y plane) could be decomposed into two projections: one natural projectile trajectory on the vertical or gravity plane and another trajectory on the horizontal plane.
 
Lnewqban said:
You are showing an equation that contains acceleration; however, it seems to me that there is no other acceleration involved than gravity in this case.
The reason is that the body starts its trajectory with certain velocity and nothing tells us about additional external forces acting upon it, other than its own weight.

It is perhaps a simplistic and incorrect approach, but I would try the calculations of this problem as a regular projectile one with trajectory on the vertical plane.
The actual initial velocity, velocity's angle and trajectory over the incline plane (x-y plane) could be decomposed into two projections: one natural projectile trajectory on the vertical or gravity plane and another trajectory on the horizontal plane.
You omit the normal force.
It will be simpler to use coordinates within the plane, i.e. make y distance up the plane, as in the diagram.
Maybe you did not mean "vertical".
 
haruspex said:
You omit the normal force.
It will be simpler to use coordinates within the plane, i.e. make y distance up the plane, as in the diagram.
Maybe you did not mean "vertical".
Normal force is what makes the block deviate to its right, producing another parabola projection on the horizontal plane.

I agree, working on the given x-y plane simplifies things.

I meant vertical, like the direction of the natural gravity acceleration.
 

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